Nameless op/dp install at Ishii
 

Have any of you guys had the nameless 2.5 dp/op installed by Ishii? I just spent an insane amount of time researching what exhaust to run and now when I call Ishii to have it installed they say fitment on that pipe is too tight and they warn against me installing it. They say they won't warranty the install and that it will likely cause heat issues where it is so close to the cylinder head. At this point I'm thinking about just having them install the nameless axleback and selling the op/dp bc they have me scared. Anybody have any experience with this?

Doesn't @NickFRS have nameless these installed on his car?

I am running the Nameless pipe with no issues but I know people that have had issues. As with any somewhat mass produced item there is some degree of error allowed in the bends and welds if you got a "bad" one then it may come close on either side of there the OP is

So you think I should just ignore their concerns and just have them install it?

Did they even test fit it? if they test fitted it and said it was too close then I could understand but it sounds like they just instantly wrote it off maybe find a better shop to the the install if they won't even try to check the fitment

I know at least 6 people in my area that have them without any issues. I've had mine for a year and everything is great. The trick to installing it is to raise the engine up a little as it won't go in otherwise because of the flange (I think that's what it's called). Like the post above said however, not every single item that someone produces will be perfect so there's bound to be a defect here and there. If there is just call them up and ask if you can drive down to La Center to have them get it on.

Best option in my opinion would be to call Nameless up and schedule a time for them to put it on for you. Odds are they wouldn't charge you if they are able to do it. That way if there is a fitment issue they can just grab another one and put it on.

I'm happy that the shop was pretty up front and blunt.

Granted this could be good but one bad install doesn't mean every piece from that company is now crap if they actually did test fit it and find that it was too close I understand their stance but it doesn't seem like that was the case thats like me counting out eating bacon cause one time bacon made me sick

Thanks for all the replies. Just to clarify, I just received my nameless axleback and op/dp 2.5" today and they both look like beautiful quality made pieces. I called ishii today to set up an install. Their receptionist said they don't recommend that pipe bc it has clearance issues near the cylinder head. They said they would still install it if I elected to but they would not be able to warranty it. I scheduled an appointment for next Wednesday, if I'm not happy with fitment I'll just have them take it off. This just has me sort of worried because I spent lots of time researching both nameless and ishii and they are both extremely reputable shops, I figured it would be a more seamless install.

Strange. My OP/FP fits perfectly... love it.

I would call Jason over at nameless if u do end up having a problem. Nameless is a great company that stands by their products and I really doubt that they would not go above and beyond to take care of u. Being that theyre local u could just run over and see them if needed.

This is my last resort. I'm hoping I don't have to go this route, it's a pretty long drive and I have an extremely tight work schedule.

I had fitment issues with my over and front pipe.

Those of you that don't have issues, do you have the older style from nameless that is transmission specific or the newer version that works with auto and manaual trans?

I was told the new universal ones are the issue... Mine was ordered in February and delivered today so I'm assuming I have the newest revision.

I am really surprised at Nameless so far. I think I need to call them. They were very quick to respond at first when I reached out to them. I passed a long the photos of how close the pipe was to the cylinder head (Close enough a feeler gauge was barely able to get in between). The ask a couple questions regarding my exhaust setup as I also have an after market header. I told them I didn't test fit with my OE manifold, but they still gave me a return label.

At that point the pipe was still on my car (Left it on for a couple of days). I took it back to Ishii Motors (Which, btw were very kind to me and didn't pull any punches) to have it taken back off, but I also had them test fit the OE.

There was a little bit more clearance with the OE manifold, about 1/16th of an inch. I had them take more photos which I sent back to nameless clarifying with them if they believed this was an acceptable distance with the OE manifold. I didn't want to send out the pipe and have them come back saying it was fine and me paying the shipping back.

But I haven't heard back from them since. I followed up with a couple more emails, but nothing. I realize they are a small shop, and probably don't check their email often. I have been lazy/busy/forgetful to give them a ring.

I believe they are a reputable brand, I have heard nothing but good things for them, and I believe they will take care of me. Just a little frustrating is all.

BTW, this is with the universal one.

I'll let you know next Wednesday when Ishii is going to attempt to install mine. Right now though it appears me and @Imrac are in the same boat. Kinda sucks I have to deal with this after waiting months for the pipe.

Shop sounds ignorant to me. The nameless OP/DP combo is almost the same as the OEM just slightly larger and obviously smoother curves.. All exhausts are close to the engine. You can have it coated or wrapped if you are concerned about heat. Brandon has mine now. I had no issues. The install is just kinda a pain in the ass since you have to lift the engine slightly. A inch away from the engine isn't going to do much when we are talking about exhaust temps right out of the header into a collected pipe. There will be LOTS of heat there no matter what. One inch will not disperse much heat.

What revision did you have? Was it the transmission specific version?

I am not concerned about heat at all. I am NA, so the back pressure is low enough it should be moving the hot gasses out fast enough it shouldn't get insanely hot. I am concerned about the pipe hitting the cylinder head and damaging either the cylinder head or punching a hole in the pipe.

A wrap wouldn't even be able to fit between the pipe and the cylinder head.

As for the shop sounding ignorant.. I beg to differ. There is not much movement you can do when the front pipe is connected to a fixed hanger at the rear and the collector at the front. They loosened up both (as well as the header) and tried to get as much clearance as possible, but the photos attached are the best they could get.

The Digi photos are with the OE manifold (grainier), the regular IMG photos are with my JDL UEL header.

Negative on that OP ghost rider! :)


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Yo Bob @Drift-Office, I'm waiting for my JDL EL to come in. I'll need a tune from you soon! :happyanim:

Call them. Sometimes they are slow with email since they are so busy. I have one of the original op/dp. It is specific to manual trans cars (not the factory fit model). If you have the auto trans car you'll need the factory fit model, unless they've changed stuff since I last looked at their website and the pipe.

Yeah, I am going to reach out to them Monday via phone. The op/dp did change. There use to be a Manual transmission version and a Automatic transmission version. Now they have a single "Universal" one that fits both transmissions, which I what I purchased.

I have a manual car, but the fitment issues were observed on an automatic transmission as well.

I am not bashing nameless at all. I know not everything works out perfect with aftermarket parts and I believe nameless will take care of me. I am just explaining why Ishii would be hesitant to install this pipe since they have had a couple cars with fitment issues.

I got mine a year ago. That looks way to close then how it should be. Even their 3in doesn't come that close. Do you have the front pipe screwed in? which header do you have? Make sure you screw the FP into the screw point. Chances are your AM header is pulling the FP over. or maybe you got a defective FP. Put the FP in w.o it on the header. Screw it into the mount point w/the axelback. Also if you need to move around your mid pipe a bit. There are multiple mounting points that could alter the FP located. :cheers:

You should be abe to stick a flat head screw driver inbetween them. Also do you have stock motor mounts? Make sure your motor mounts are on straight. Some AM motor mounts will actually lower your engine slightly.

Motor mounts will not affect clearance between the top of the pipe and the head, it is hard mounted to the header which is hard mounted to the block. Now if it were a clearance issue with the bottom of the pipe and the sub frame that would be another matter...

Which is also why I brought up having the FP screwed into the center mounting point. :cheers: Just some variables.

Hmm, now I need to go back and take a look. I thought the center mount was attached to the transmission side of the transmission mount to move all forces back into the spring bolt/donut gasket connection. Didn't look too closely though.

Im at Ishii now.. I elected to not install the op/dp. They said they have had numerous people with this issue and they have had a couple people come back in and take them off after install because of how close it is to the cylinder head. When i get home i guess ill try and talk to nameless and see what if anything they can do. Atleast I'm getting the axleback put on. That should tide me over until i get the op/dp figured out. They also said that with the automatic it is even worse fitment wise.

Also, a lot of people are saying their op/dp fit fine. Was that the first revision which was manual trans specific or is that the new universal one. It seems that it is only the new universal revision that is the one with the fitment issues.

Pretty sure mine is the Manual transmission one (@NickFRS would know since I bought his) but I know @Decay107 just got his recently pretty sure its the new fitment

Funny you should mention that, I got mine just as they were transitioning over (the website still listed two options based on transmission type, but Jason told me they were going to one design that worked with both) so I'm not actually sure which version I received. I did NOT have any fitment issues with the pipe and the stock header, but once I installed the Nameless header the gap to the head was too close for comfort (I'd estimate around 1/16"). I swapped out my FP/OP with a visually equivalent used unit nameless had sitting on the shelf which bought a ton of clearance, but now I have even less of an idea which version I have on my car. :iono:

Interesting. I guess this is the price we have to pay for hand built local parts. The axleback is on and it sounds amazing... Now it's time to figure out what I'm going to do about the op/dp.

@Imrac ever get your issue resolved?

Mostly. I sent the pipe back to Namelsss, they sent me a newly built one. I install it this time since I was hesitant to spend more money getting it installed with the possibility of it not fitting. (By the way, it was simple once I jacked the passenger side of the engine up, took me about an hour and a half total to install.)

This time there is between a 16th and an 8th of an inch of clearance. Not as much as I would like to see, but it's not basically touching any more.

If I had to do it all over again, I would go with a jdl over pipe and front pipe, but it sounds great. Now that I have my exhaust done, the next step is to get a tune from Dirft Office.