Correct, a larger throttle body will not add power... but will add hesitation.

It would be interesting to see a dyno with a turbo/SC application.

This might be the most over priced product for our cars yet.

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So in order to post in one thread, you must have read every other thread in entirety? Or read a poster's entire post history before quoting them?

The original comment that this was directed towards could have been written more tactfully, but to jump down the guys throat because he didn't go scanning all the threads to determine which TB the guy posted is ridiculous.

If someone in AZ has a Perrin intake and or someone can get me one quickly before the header (or i could do post header) I am more than willing to work out testing. Hell if people want to chip in on dyno time for misc things ill gladly do non-biased tests of parts. I never expected crawford to actually jump at me offering, i figured they wouldn't even respond lol. Too many products have been potentially thrown under the rug due to poor testing environments & tuning environments over the existence of the car.

I hope that's a joke. This is the best bang for your buck mod out there next to a tune. Lets see any intake (which are close to the same price and show nowhere close to the gains without messing up the a/f/r), exhaust or any other bolt-on get these kind of gains for the price.

I said "maybe" if he posted here he would have seen it. A 2 second search would have sufficed as well seeing how there was more than enough context to conclude where the TB came from.

I should have taken the maybe out of the second statement though.

I agree. I haven't seen another bolt on offer that gain at that price.

I'm sorry? Did billet aluminium suddenly become lighter and achieve a lower coefficient of heat transfer than phenolic resins?

Cheaper, lighter, more heat resitant. AKA: Better.

Everyone says a few pounds here and there don't matter and then wonder how cars have ballooned in weight.

Question for Nelsmar:

How different was the tune for the PBP vs without PBP?

In other words, what needs to be optimized on an existing tune after adding the PBP?

I made very little changes. I advanced 1-2.5 degree in intake cam profiles. Minor ignition adjustment, and nothing else. But this was against my own map I cannot say for someone else's. As the engine load shifts over to the next column (not completely) it strongly depends on how the ignition map and fuel map 1 column over are. I wanted to spend more time adjusting VVT profiles to see if i could pick up more top end but the shop was already closed up and I had to cut it short. So all in all, not much was changed.

No it is not a joke, it is a slab of aluminum that is cut in a cnc machine most likely and sold for 400 bucks, I dont know where they pulled that number from. Also if you bring the "Oh they are just making up for R&D cost" then that is bs. 3D printers should of been used for early prototypes until they got what they wanted and no 3D printers aren't expensive. Sorry if i sound really aggressive but it just makes me mad to see this :mad0259: I just dont see where they are getting this price point from. If anyone can give my view a 180 then it is a different story.

whether you use billet aluminum or 3D printers i don't think is the issue in 'making up for R&D cost'. the materials cost isn't what drives the price, it's knowing what to do with it.

Consider this hypothetical mechanic's invoice for fixing a problem:

Tapping on the block with a mallet - $10
Knowing where to tap with a mallet - $200

Sounds reasonable lol