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ZOMFGAARON 03-07-2014 02:46 AM

Ticket for my exhaust
 
I have a muffler delete and got pulled over for it being "too loud" come on there was at least 3-4 little Hondas that drive by while I was pulled over that sounded way louder/worse.
What are my options?
Has this happen to anyone else?

SliverBrz 03-07-2014 02:50 AM

what is your options? exactly what the officer told you.

To remove it.

You can have it checked off then put it back on.

Carlitoz3 03-07-2014 02:51 AM

HWP had nothing else better to do.
Had to pick on someone.
Is it a fix it ticket?

fatoni 03-07-2014 02:54 AM

you were breaking a law, they asked you to fix it. i understand that it sucks but i dont understand the sense of entitlement. fix it

ZOMFGAARON 03-07-2014 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SliverBrz (Post 1580883)
what is your options? exactly what the officer told you.

To remove it.

You can have it checked off then put it back on.


They didn't give me any she just said sign here because your exhaust is too loud and see you in court.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlitoz3 (Post 1580885)
HWP had nothing else better to do.
Had to pick on someone.
Is it a fix it ticket?


It was local PD in Rowland heights not even HP :/
I've never got a ticket before how do I check that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 1580890)
you were breaking a law, they asked you to fix it. i understand that it sucks but i dont understand the sense of entitlement. fix it


Well from what I've read the legal limit is 95db which I highly doubt my car surpasses currently. I mean it's loud but no louder then a corvette or cobra

midnight23 03-07-2014 03:04 AM

What is the violation code on the ticket? How were you driving when the lights came on?

Carlitoz3 03-07-2014 03:11 AM

All that info is on back of the ticket ;)

JS + BRZ 03-07-2014 03:18 AM

The track pipes are fucking loud.

Tim_Asphalt_FRS 03-07-2014 03:23 AM

Ticket for my exhaust
 
They're supposed to actually test it if they feel it's louder than 95 db, it can't just be they're judgement.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/07/dare7eja.jpg

Cal Veh Code § 27151 (2013)

§ 27151. Modification of exhaust systems

(a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle is not in compliance with the provisions of Section 27150 or exceeds the noise limits established for the type of vehicle in Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). No person shall operate a motor vehicle with an exhaust system so modified.
(b) For the purposes of exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, other than motorcycles, a sound level of 95 dbA or less, when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, complies with this section. Motor vehicle exhaust systems or parts thereof include, but are not limited to, nonoriginal exhaust equipment.

ZOMFGAARON 03-07-2014 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midnight23 (Post 1580900)
What is the violation code on the ticket? How were you driving when the lights came on?

I read the back it looks like a fix it ticket but I have to appear in court.
I was driving slow under 3000 RPMs in traffic in Rowland heights.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ (Post 1580914)
The track pipes are fucking loud.

Here's a video I recorded earlier today for some other form members to hear it. This is with the window rolled down and a "cold start" which usually is as loud as it get even well driving unless pushing it. It's not that loud in my opinion. At least 3 cars drove by with far louder exhaust before and after me (I was picking my fiancé up from work and had been in the area awhile)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvoOE...ature=youtu.be

ZOMFGAARON 03-07-2014 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim_Asphalt_FRS (Post 1580918)
They're supposed to actually test it if they feel it's louder than 95 db, it can't just be they're judgement.


How is this done?
I told her I felt it was unfair and she threatened to review my car further to find any other violations so I just signed it. I did get upset and did question her in a firm tone but none the less feel it was unrequited.
I get it may be breaking the law I'm not sure since I haven't measured the db's that are output but far louder cars drove by her while she sat there and I clearly saw it. I guess I'm just upset out of everyone why was I the one picked?

Tim_Asphalt_FRS 03-07-2014 03:31 AM

Ticket for my exhaust
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOMFGAARON (Post 1580926)
How is this done?
I told her I felt it was unfair and she threatened to review my car further to find any other violations so I just signed it. I did get upset and did question her in a firm tone but none the less feel it was unrequited.
I get it may be breaking the law I'm not sure since I haven't measured the db's that are output but far louder cars drove by her while she sat there and I clearly saw it. I guess I'm just upset out of everyone why was I the one picked?


Not exactly sure. It's in accordance to an SAE standard. If you have any trouble, contact the SEMA action network. www.semasan.com

midnight23 03-07-2014 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOMFGAARON (Post 1580926)
How is this done?
I told her I felt it was unfair and she threatened to review my car further to find any other violations so I just signed it. I did get upset and did question her in a firm tone but none the less feel it was unrequited.
I get it may be breaking the law I'm not sure since I haven't measured the db's that are output but far louder cars drove by her while she sat there and I clearly saw it. I guess I'm just upset out of everyone why was I the one picked?

I would never question a female cop, that's just asking for worse things to happen :(

ZOMFGAARON 03-07-2014 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim_Asphalt_FRS (Post 1580928)
Not exactly sure. It's in accordance to an SAE standard. If you have any trouble, contact the SEMA action network. www.semasan.com


This is the kind of answer I was wanting, hoping someone knew a little about it without me having to dig. Thanks I guess next time I have to be a little more clear when posting so I don't get the "you did it deal with it" answers.

ZOMFGAARON 03-07-2014 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midnight23 (Post 1580936)
I would never question a female cop, that's just asking for worse things to happen :(


She was super hostile she walked up to my car about to draw her weapon which made me uncomfortable and a little upset, I couldn't control myself, I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that her hand position was/is habit but still.

Tim_Asphalt_FRS 03-07-2014 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOMFGAARON (Post 1580937)
This is the kind of answer I was wanting, hoping someone knew a little about it without me having to dig. Thanks I guess next time I have to be a little more clear when posting so I don't get the "you did it deal with it" answers.


That's a typical answer. If you truly feel it's not louder than 95 dB and don't have anything else that she shouldn't see (ie turbo kit, cat less header etc) then make her look around. Usually if you respectfully show them that you know the law they'll treat you with respect back.

JS + BRZ 03-07-2014 03:52 AM

You put a loud ass exhaust knowing it's illegal.

You were unlucky to get pulled over and get a ticket.

Man up and deal with it.

If you were a little more smart in driving around cops, you would have been alright.

I have tint on my front windows. If I ever get a ticket for it, I would remove it to take care of the ticket without crying. And probably re do the tint the next day.

Sent from my SCH-I605

JS + BRZ 03-07-2014 03:54 AM

http://dsportmag.com/showcase/exhaus...hnology-bt8602

Sent from my SCH-I605

mav1178 03-07-2014 05:32 AM

Do you know what 95db sounds like? Do you know how to measure it?

The old procedure to remedy exhaust tickets is outlined here:
http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_barresource...ise_levels.pdf

However, I believe the "Certificate of Compliance" part is gone now. You are best off contacting the law enforcement agency (most likely Industry Sheriff's Station) to figure out how to fix it.

As for state ref: http://asktheref.org/Services/Citati...2/Default.aspx

There's several fixes:

1) put back to stock, inspect, pay "fix-it" administrative fee
2) leave it as-is, pay the fine
3) have it inspected if you believe it to be under 95db, have ticket signed off, pay admin fee

Again: just because it feels like it's under 95db to you doesn't mean it is actually 95db.

-alex

Edit: that part about other cars sounding louder than yours? Unless you have a decibel meter on-hand, able to measure precisely what their exhausts sound like, and able to replicate it in front of an officer... don't make assumptions. Your muffler delete may sound like the equal amount of "way worse" to the Honda drivers.

ZOMFGAARON 03-07-2014 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ (Post 1580958)
You put a loud ass exhaust knowing it's illegal.

You were unlucky to get pulled over and get a ticket.

Man up and deal with it.

If you were a little more smart in driving around cops, you would have been alright.

I have tint on my front windows. If I ever get a ticket for it, I would remove it to take care of the ticket without crying. And probably re do the tint the next day.

Sent from my SCH-I605


Actually I had no idea it was illegal.
I figured since I've seen cars x10 louder id be fine. Just like the tint. Where I'm from I'm pretty sure this is legal. I'm not from California nor did the installer let me know that prior to installation/fabrication. I guess I should of read up on it more.

I never once stated i didn't man up to it. I admit I have a loud exhaust on my car I just feel as though I did not break 95 dbs which I've stated.

My windows are tinted as well and the installer clearly told me that it was illegal. Not once did I cry about it? I simply asked for options and in anyone had experienced something like this. You made an assumption that I was upset and crying about it.


Quote:

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ (Post 1580959)


This clearly states it averaged 93 DBS at 3000-5000 RPMs as stated previously I did not surpass that.
I drive an automatic frs it rarely passes that even while driving aggressively. I was rolling at a cruising speed of maybe 30-35 mph @3500 RPMs tops.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 1581021)
Do you know what 95db sounds like? Do you know how to measure it?

The old procedure to remedy exhaust tickets is outlined here:
http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_barresource...ise_levels.pdf

However, I believe the "Certificate of Compliance" part is gone now. You are best off contacting the law enforcement agency (most likely Industry Sheriff's Station) to figure out how to fix it.

As for state ref: http://asktheref.org/Services/Citati...2/Default.aspx

There's several fixes:

1) put back to stock, inspect, pay "fix-it" administrative fee
2) leave it as-is, pay the fine
3) have it inspected if you believe it to be under 95db, have ticket signed off, pay admin fee

Again: just because it feels like it's under 95db to you doesn't mean it is actually 95db.

-alex

Edit: that part about other cars sounding louder than yours? Unless you have a decibel meter on-hand, able to measure precisely what their exhausts sound like, and able to replicate it in front of an officer... don't make assumptions. Your muffler delete may sound like the equal amount of "way worse" to the Honda drivers.


Well from what I've read I have a good idea my car isn't as loud as some things listed on a google search about DBs but no I've never measured it.
Thanks for the info on a remedy to the problem.
Yeah me talking about the Hondas was a little uncalled for just upset.

marky 03-07-2014 12:41 PM

On my integra I got pulled over for a big exhaust HKS ti.. had it for like 3 yrs and one day pig wanted to pull me over for it.. was not loud at all and there was a honda fart can that passed by and he didnt fo anything..

500$+ ticket plus I had to smog/go to court and face a judge to plea guilty.. as a daily driver I have stocks and tips on my exhaust. . Thats California for you

mav1178 03-07-2014 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOMFGAARON (Post 1581272)
Well from what I've read I have a good idea my car isn't as loud as some things listed on a google search about DBs but no I've never measured it.
Thanks for the info on a remedy to the problem.
Yeah me talking about the Hondas was a little uncalled for just upset.

I understand it sucks to get a ticket. But instead of playing the victim, just accept the citation and fight it.

It's 2014, there's no reason why you can't find solutions to your problem online. If you just simply searched the vehicle code you were cited for, you'll find tons of other forums with car enthusiasts that complain about the exact same problem you just had.

In the end, the more you antagonize the police officer, the more they'll give you a hard time. Everyone hates on them when they get cited, but give them praise in times of need.

-alex

bisdak 03-08-2014 12:01 AM

dude just have it fixed and go back to stock, then have a sheriff or chp sign off on it, then pay the ticket... I have a berk tech non cat front pipe and muffler delete so my car is loud.. i just do go crazy on the surface streets not to draw attention.. but even being careful I still got pulled over 3 times already.. its just a fix it.. ticket is 20.. sign off from sheriff 17.. just pay bro..

ZOMFGAARON 03-08-2014 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bisdak (Post 1583144)
dude just have it fixed and go back to stock, then have a sheriff or chp sign off on it, then pay the ticket... I have a berk tech non cat front pipe and muffler delete so my car is loud.. i just do go crazy on the surface streets not to draw attention.. but even being careful I still got pulled over 3 times already.. its just a fix it.. ticket is 20.. sign off from sheriff 17.. just pay bro..



That's what I'm planning on doing. Only thing I'm worried about is them giving me a hard time at inspection for my window tint.

Pekingduck 03-08-2014 04:26 PM

It part of modify your car it comes with ticket. For having a modified car for almost 15 years in Rowland Heights, the local law enforcement has really calm down. When I was younger back in the early 2000's they were giving ticket for anything. Gosh i feel old...

zlegend 03-08-2014 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOMFGAARON (Post 1583157)
That's what I'm planning on doing. Only thing I'm worried about is them giving me a hard time at inspection for my window tint.

when you go get your car inspected by the sheriff just roll down both your front windows. have the ticket sign, pay the fee and be on your way

on the ticket it should also say fix it or non fix it, a fix it is pretty much the best for anyone because itll only cost you 20 dollars and some work time.

I actually got a non fix it ticket for the exhaust and i had to pay 197 but didnt need to have someone inspect it.

Vincenttam 03-08-2014 09:00 PM

Whatever you do to your car runs the risk of getting pulled over. Do you know how many of the people here are willing to pay multiple fix it tickets for no plate in the front? At the end of the day say your delete is legal and you pass all the tests, the next time you get pulled over again your just going to repeat all the processes. Show up to court and debate it. It's up to you on how much you love that delete. Are you willing to pay a fix it and show up to court every time to fight for it?

TJ3000 03-08-2014 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zlegend (Post 1584179)
when you go get your car inspected by the sheriff just roll down both your front windows. have the ticket sign, pay the fee and be on your way

on the ticket it should also say fix it or non fix it, a fix it is pretty much the best for anyone because itll only cost you 20 dollars and some work time.

I actually got a non fix it ticket for the exhaust and i had to pay 197 but didnt need to have someone inspect it.

That's actually correct I had a MK3 Supra with an exhaust and they gave me a ticket and it was a non fix it ticket. Pay the fine and be on your way

Kakawate 03-09-2014 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 1581591)
I understand it sucks to get a ticket. But instead of playing the victim, just accept the citation and fight it.

It's 2014, there's no reason why you can't find solutions to your problem online. If you just simply searched the vehicle code you were cited for, you'll find tons of other forums with car enthusiasts that complain about the exact same problem you just had.

In the end, the more you antagonize the police officer, the more they'll give you a hard time. Everyone hates on them when they get cited, but give them praise in times of need.

-alex

I don't praise the boys in blue ever I don't call 911 I call hk usp 45 to get ahold of mr Remington 870 pump. In a nutshell I don't depend on nobody especially the boys in blue seems like everyday I read about them fuckers doing something worse than most criminals.

Go see the judge put a muffler on he will dismiss it and make you pay a small court fee


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