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mikeTee 03-03-2014 12:48 PM

Apple CarPlay: iOS Vehicle Integration
 
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GENEVA―March 3, 2014―AppleŽ today announced that leading auto manufacturers are rolling out CarPlay, the smarter, safer and more fun way to use iPhoneŽ in the car. CarPlay gives iPhone users an incredibly intuitive way to make calls, use Maps, listen to music and access messages with just a word or a touch. Users can easily control CarPlay from the car’s native interface or just push-and-hold the voice control button on the steering wheel to activate SiriŽ without distraction. Vehicles from Ferrari, Mercedes-Benz and Volvo will premiere CarPlay to their drivers this week, while additional auto manufacturers bringing CarPlay to their drivers down the road include BMW Group, Ford, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai Motor Company, Jaguar Land Rover, Kia Motors, Mitsubishi Motors, Nissan Motor Company, PSA Peugeot Citroën, Subaru, Suzuki and Toyota Motor Corp.

“CarPlay has been designed from the ground up to provide drivers with an incredible experience using their iPhone in the car,” said Greg Joswiak, Apple’s vice president of iPhone and iOS Product Marketing. “iPhone users always want their content at their fingertips and CarPlay lets drivers use their iPhone in the car with minimized distraction. We have an amazing lineup of auto partners rolling out CarPlay, and we’re thrilled it will make its debut this week in Geneva.”

Apple has led consumer technology integration in the car for more than a decade. CarPlay brings your car and iPhone together for a thoughtful experience that lets drivers focus on driving, while also tapping into everything they want to do with their iPhone.

Once iPhone is connected to a vehicle with CarPlay integration, Siri helps you easily access your contacts, make calls, return missed calls or listen to voicemails. When incoming messages or notifications arrive, Siri provides an eyes-free experience by responding to requests through voice commands, by reading drivers’ messages and letting them dictate responses or simply make a call.

CarPlay makes driving directions more intuitive by working with Maps to anticipate destinations based on recent trips via contacts, emails or texts, and provides routing instructions, traffic conditions and ETA. You can also simply ask Siri and receive spoken turn-by-turn directions, along with Maps, which will appear on your car’s built-in display.

CarPlay gives drivers access to all of their music, podcasts, audiobooks and iTunes Radio℠ with easy navigation through listening choices from the car’s built-in controls or simply by asking Siri to pull up what you’d like to hear. CarPlay also supports select third-party audio apps including Spotify and iHeartRadio, so you can listen to your favorite radio services or sports broadcast apps while driving.

Pricing & Availability
Apple CarPlay is available as an update to iOS 7 and works with Lightning-enabled iPhones, including iPhone 5s, iPhone 5c and iPhone 5. CarPlay will be available in select cars shipping in 2014.
Source: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014...n-the-Car.html

What's everyone think about it? It's suppossed to be an overlay UI so it would be supplemental to whatever software future FRS/BRZ headunits may run. Hopefully they offer it for the twins.

husker741 03-03-2014 01:01 PM

I can do everything it offers over the Bluetooth in my car.

f0rge 03-03-2014 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by husker741 (Post 1570934)
I can do everything it offers over the Bluetooth in my car.

No way this is totally different! Apple invented this and it's a revolutionary change to how we'll use phones in our cars! /sarcasm.

They do this with everything, copy and paste was a revolutionary advancement in phones when it came to the iphone, despite every other phone already doing it.

fatherfork 03-03-2014 01:36 PM

I'm looking forward to this. I hope I can get an aftermarket head unit with Carplay on it. I like the iPhone interface and having a simplified version that is updated with my phone OS instead of by the head unit manufacturer (so probably never) sounds really great.

On a side note, if this isn't for you (android phone, etc.), please don't join the conversation. We could stand a little less noise.

husker741 03-03-2014 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fatherfork (Post 1571040)
I'm looking forward to this. I hope I can get an aftermarket head unit with Carplay on it. I like the iPhone interface and having a simplified version that is updated with my phone OS instead of by the head unit manufacturer (so probably never) sounds really great.

On a side note, if this isn't for you (android phone, etc.), please don't join the conversation. We could stand a little less noise.

Ah yes, no criticism is allowed in a public forum.

fatherfork 03-03-2014 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by husker741 (Post 1571045)
Ah yes, no criticism is allowed in a public forum.

Don't put words in my mouth. I simply asked politely that you not chime in for reasons of relevant discussion. Follow my request or don't, I never implied that I control a public forum.

Edit: Crap, you got me to engage. I really need to learn from others' mistakes. Reply all you want, but this will be my last.

mikeTee 03-03-2014 01:45 PM

For me personally, it would get rid of the phone mount that I have on my dash. I'll admit I'm not the biggest fan of Apple Maps but all things considered the current GPS situation in the BRZ really isn't any better with it's sporadic signal dropping, though YMMV. But if it gives 3rd party developers any easy venue for app development for our car head units, I'm eager to see what follows.

Or they just need to come up with a very good Android headunit and call it a day.

fatherfork 03-03-2014 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeTee (Post 1571059)
...But if it gives 3rd party developers any easy venue for app development for our car head units, I'm eager to see what follows.

I agree. That may even allow other map applications to use the link. They do with music, so we'll see.

johnnie 03-03-2014 01:56 PM

It's not standard, so it sucks! We need open protocols and standards so i can use the phone i want with whichever car i own at that time.

f0rge 03-03-2014 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fatherfork (Post 1571040)
On a side note, if this isn't for you (android phone, etc.), please don't join the conversation. We could stand a little less noise.

Actually my wife and I have so many apple products it's not even funny, including iphones.

But i'm still not so sure what's so great about this compared to bluetooth unless they can increase the sound quality somehow. I usually direct connect my phone via usb because it sounds better.

BTW props to Volvo for using In Flames, Sweden power!

Dark 03-03-2014 02:02 PM

Sound OE companies has Mirrorlink for android for sometimes now, and it does things more than CarPlay. What's the point Apple?

mikeTee 03-03-2014 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnie (Post 1571080)
It's not standard, so it sucks! We need open protocols and standards so i can use the phone i want with whichever car i own at that time.

From what I understand, the iPhone is doing the processing and displaying of the CarPlay UI, so as I mentioned before, it's in addition to whatever software the factory headunit is going to be running. And even then, it'll probably be an option, not the standard, offering in most of these vehicles so there's no obligation for any future car buyers to have to get this system.

rice_classic 03-03-2014 02:05 PM

"So you can both interact with your Apple CarPlay and your Volvo simultaneously."

...into that tree.


Not a fan of Apple so the only good I can see coming from this is if Google and Microsoft/Nokia jump into the same market.

enwave 03-03-2014 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by husker741 (Post 1570934)
I can do everything it offers over the Bluetooth in my car.


That is true.

But some of us like the smexy interfaces that Apple designs. After clunking around on the BRZ head unit for eight months, and playing with aftermarket head units on and off, I welcome something that looks pretty and functions well in my dash.

Hope this doesn't stay factory exclusive, though I have my doubts that it will ever be available on third party head units.


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mikeTee 03-03-2014 02:38 PM

Apple CarPlay: iOS Vehicle Integration
 
http://9to5mac.com/2014/03/03/merced...class-gallery/

Mercedes Benz just released some images of their CarPlay integration.

fatherfork 03-03-2014 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 1571116)
"So you can both interact with your Apple CarPlay and your Volvo simultaneously."

...into that tree.


Not a fan of Apple so the only good I can see coming from this is if Google and Microsoft/Nokia jump into the same market.

Microsoft already has with SYNC on Ford head units. The difference is Apple's is driven by the phone, not simply connected to it's content. It should make updates to the interface and features easier, but as others have said, the Carplay interface will likely be in addition to the head unit's built in software, since not everyone owns and iPhone.

The interaction should be no more distracting than any other head unit out there.

Acree 03-03-2014 05:20 PM

Say what you will about Apple and hype and fanboys and blah blah... as soon as this is available on an OEM headunit that fits in this car, I will be buying it.

n2oinferno 03-03-2014 05:48 PM

I wonder how many manufacturers are willing to give up control of their UI and hand it over to Apple so they can get the CarPlay stuff up and running. It's interesting, but seeing how Apple no longer controls majority market share in phones or tablets now, I don't think that it'll be an always-selected option for most people.

Also I sure hope it doesn't use Apple Maps. It'd really suck to die because of your car. :D

rice_classic 03-03-2014 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by fatherfork (Post 1571224)
Microsoft already has with SYNC on Ford head units. The difference is Apple's is driven by the phone, not simply connected to it's content.

It was really called "FORD Sync.. -powered by Microsoft-" and you nailed it: it was not driven by a phone. So by all accounts, MS did not "already have it".

Sync was something FORD tried to make their own and even though it was powered by MS, it worked with all (or at least attempted to) smart phones: Android, iOS, BB etc. Apple's CarPlay doesn't appear to be friendly with anything other than iOS.

Volvo should not make it standard and leave it as an extra option. I like what CarPlay is and think it's great for Apple supporters, but I think most Apple products are garbage and if this is a standard feature in a vehicle, it would be enough to deter me from purchasing that vehicle.

Example: If the FRS had this as a standard and I could not get the car without it. It would not have motivated me to get an iPhone, it would have motivated me not to get the Scion.

The other concern is the big-brother aspect. By having this in the car, what is it doing, tracking, uploading even when the phone isn't connected?

fatherfork 03-03-2014 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by fatherfork (Post 1571224)
...but as others have said, the Carplay interface will likely be in addition to the head unit's built in software, since not everyone owns and iPhone.

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Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 1571737)
...Example: If the FRS had this as a standard and I could not get the car without it. It would not have motivated me to get an iPhone, it would have motivated me not to get the Scion.

The other concern is the big-brother aspect. By having this in the car, what is it doing, tracking, uploading even when the phone isn't connected?

Don't worry, it's unlikely these new cars would require an iPhone to operate normally.

Also, this won't enable your phone to do any tracking or uploading that it isn't already doing (if you're concerned about that, don't carry a connected device, it is tracking you already for sure).

mikeTee 03-03-2014 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Acree (Post 1571616)
Say what you will about Apple and hype and fanboys and blah blah... as soon as this is available on an OEM headunit that fits in this car, I will be buying it.

Agreed. Leave it up to the consumer to decide whether or not they want it in their car. As a long time iPhone user, this is something I'm interested in.

rice_classic 03-03-2014 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fatherfork (Post 1571794)
Don't worry, it's unlikely these new cars would require an iPhone to operate normally.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_li...nsnbo1_500.gif


Of course the car the will operate without an iPhone! :lol:

fatherfork 03-03-2014 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 1571737)
...Example: If the FRS had this as a standard and I could not get the car without it. It would not have motivated me to get an iPhone, it would have motivated me not to get the Scion.

You seemed to imply this was a concern here. Apologies if I misunderstood.


Jerk.

:thumbsup:

rice_classic 03-03-2014 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fatherfork (Post 1572025)
You seemed to imply this was a concern here. Apologies if I misunderstood.


Jerk.

:thumbsup:


I didn't imply that at all.

Let me restate the original comment: If the FRS had this as a standard [infotainment system] and I could not get the car [without the proprietary Apple Infotainment system]. It would not motivate me to go out and buy Apple products, it would motivate me to buy a different car, a car with an infotainment system I can use or is compatible with my current devices. A car with an infotainment system (if that's what I needed) that didn't "alienate" me.



Jerk. :bellyroll:

fatherfork 03-03-2014 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 1572128)
I didn't imply that at all.

Let me restate the original comment: If the FRS had this as a standard [infotainment system] and I could not get the car [without the proprietary Apple Infotainment system]. It would not motivate me to go out and buy Apple products, it would motivate me to buy a different car, a car with an infotainment system I can use or is compatible with my current devices. A car with an infotainment system (if that's what I needed) that didn't "alienate" me.



Jerk. :bellyroll:

Now you're actually stating what I thought you were implying. Any system built into a car would likely be compatible with every phone in every way it is today. It would also happen to have this particular compatibility with an iPhone. That you would actively avoid a car with this built in shows either a misunderstanding or a completely unnecessary hate toward Apple products. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems there would be no reason for you to limit your car selection because of this feature.

mikeTee 03-04-2014 10:19 AM

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Will CarPlay force you to buy an iPhone to go with your car (or vice versa)? Not really -- the Ferrari we tried actually deployed Apple's dash system alongside it's own, while Mercedes-Benz and Volvo (two of Apple's other partners) have said they'll continue to develop Android and MirrorLink solutions for their new models.
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Once it's connected, Ferrari will continue to utilize its own infotainment system, but users can load CarPlay by hitting a dedicated dashboard button, allowing all touch and voice inputs to be diverted to your iPhone. This loads the CarPlay dashboard, which features a familiar array of icons and services you'll recognize from your iPhone.
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/04/a...i-ff-hands-on/

For all you naysayers out there. Also, there's a nice video demo of CarPlay in the Ferrari as well at the link, showing exactly how you will load CarPlay from the standard UI. Me gusta.

wparsons 03-04-2014 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by husker741 (Post 1570934)
I can do everything it offers over the Bluetooth in my car.

You can control and view the maps over bluetooth?

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Originally Posted by fatherfork (Post 1571224)
Microsoft already has with SYNC on Ford head units. The difference is Apple's is driven by the phone, not simply connected to it's content. It should make updates to the interface and features easier, but as others have said, the Carplay interface will likely be in addition to the head unit's built in software, since not everyone owns and iPhone.

The interaction should be no more distracting than any other head unit out there.

Except just last week Ford announced they're jumping ship to QNX (now owned by BlackBerry) moving forward, so no more Microsoft in SYNC. Honda/Acura already run QNX based systems, and I think you'll find more companies working with them in the future.

fatherfork 03-04-2014 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 1573127)
Except just last week Ford announced they're jumping ship to QNX (now owned by BlackBerry) moving forward, so no more Microsoft in SYNC. Honda/Acura already run QNX based systems, and I think you'll find more companies working with them in the future.

It was really just a general statement about Microsoft being in the car market. Seems like a good thing for Blackberry. We'll see how it turns out.

wparsons 03-04-2014 12:29 PM

Gotcha! It's something BB *should* have been focusing on more in the past, it's a HUGE market. The good thing for car manufacturers is that if BB does fold, someone else will scoop up QNX for sure, it's a great product.

mikeTee 03-04-2014 01:26 PM

Ironically enough apparently Apple CarPlay is driven by BB QNX as well. Coincidence? I don't think so.

enwave 03-04-2014 02:58 PM

Apple CarPlay: iOS Vehicle Integration
 
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Originally Posted by mikeTee (Post 1573425)
Ironically enough apparently Apple CarPlay is driven by BB QNX as well. Coincidence? I don't think so.


Where did you find this info? That's crazy if true.

EDIT: wow, just googled it. Recent news it seems. That is surprising to me, and actually pretty cool.

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mikeTee 03-04-2014 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by enwave (Post 1573724)
Where did you find this info? That's crazy if true.


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My favorite headline from BGR:
"Guess which company powers Apple’s CarPlay (Hint: it starts with ‘Black’ and ends with ‘Berry’)"

Source: http://bgr.com/2014/03/04/apple-carplay-blackberry-qnx/

Here's where I originally read about it:

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Apple's newly unveiled CarPlay iOS vehicle integration system, which allows an iPhone to take over the in-dash display of a car, has been designed to work with BlackBerry's QNX operating system. The QNX Car Platform powers many in-car infotainment systems and includes a mobile connectivity framework that supports many mobile development environments, including iOS.
Source: http://www.macrumors.com/2014/03/04/...x-integration/

EDIT: Haha, you beat me!

Slipstream 03-04-2014 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Acree (Post 1571616)
Say what you will about Apple and hype and fanboys and blah blah... as soon as this is available on an OEM headunit that fits in this car, I will be buying it.

Put me in this camp too. The stock BRZ head unit is garbage, and AHA! is worthless. A third-party head unit that runs CarPlay will be installed almost as fast as I can throw my money at them. I've done the Android thing and much prefer iOS, or I'd consider the Android units floating around right now.

I love the idea of having options in future cars too. A head unit that allows you to choose CarPlay, Android Car Mode, WP8.1 Car Mode... or default to the OEM's standard OS would be amazing.

rice_classic 03-05-2014 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by fatherfork (Post 1572294)
Maybe I'm missing something...

It's seems as if but it doesn't matter anyway. It's just another stupid "shiny object" in the grand scheme of things.

Don't take life too seriously, nobody makes it out alive anyway.


I see it all as just another "gimmick" like curved televisions that doesn't actually make the thing inherently better. In fact it can be argued these integrated touchscreen systems are making cars/drivers much more dangerous.


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Originally Posted by fatherfork (Post 1572294)
Now you're actually stating what I thought you were implying.

You thought I was implying that the car wouldn't work without having an iPhone. Like actually turning it on and driving around town. I was not implying that all. I was implying/assuming that the infotainment system would be relegated to functioning only with the iPhone which isn't the case but if it were it would absolutely keep me from buying the car. I hope that helps clarify.

soundman98 03-05-2014 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 1571116)
"So you can both interact with your Apple CarPlay and your Volvo simultaneously."

...into that tree.


Not a fan of Apple so the only good I can see coming from this is if Google and Microsoft/Nokia jump into the same market.

the problem with these systems has always been that they seem to only work well with some very specific phones/OS's..

so really, i'm not a fan of any 'better' phone integration support until all the major players sit down and figure out a universal standard protocol for all the features that would need to be accessed in a car via the infotainment system.. moving the processing of the functions over to the phone might be an ok step, but i suspect that it will eventually run into the same 'specific phone/os' issue that they already have..


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Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 1572128)
I didn't imply that at all.

Let me restate the original comment: If the FRS had this as a standard [infotainment system] and I could not get the car [without the proprietary Apple Infotainment system]. It would not motivate me to go out and buy Apple products, it would motivate me to buy a different car, a car with an infotainment system I can use or is compatible with my current devices. A car with an infotainment system (if that's what I needed) that didn't "alienate" me.



Jerk. :bellyroll:

i won't buy any car that has a radio that can't be easily replaced.. if the 86 had this system, but still maintained the simplicity of replacement, it would only accelerate my replacement schedule. if the 86 had a radio that was not easily replaced without disabling other features(cough, cough GM), i would have skipped over it as a vehicle option..

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Originally Posted by fatherfork (Post 1572294)
Now you're actually stating what I thought you were implying. Any system built into a car would likely be compatible with every phone in every way it is today. It would also happen to have this particular compatibility with an iPhone. That you would actively avoid a car with this built in shows either a misunderstanding or a completely unnecessary hate toward Apple products. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems there would be no reason for you to limit your car selection because of this feature.

just so you know, i don't hate apple products(why the heck do we even need to debate this aspect.. i've got 2 iphone 3g's, a 120gb ipod, and am family fleet manager to something like 6 ipod touch's--there is that enough credentials to not lump me into the hatebus?), i just don't need like tech like this in a car at all. i could sync my phone to the car, but i'd need to turn bluetooth on first, which i refuse to do(don't worry, the salespeople gave me a funny look too).

fatherfork 03-05-2014 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 1574978)
You thought I was implying that the car wouldn't work without having an iPhone. Like actually turning it on and driving around town. I was not implying that all. I was implying/assuming that the infotainment system would be relegated to functioning only with the iPhone which isn't the case but if it were it would absolutely keep me from buying the car. I hope that helps clarify.

My mistake. I was actually just talking about the "infotainment system" which I thought context made clear. I never thought you were implying the whole car wouldn't work, but my wording, I see now, was very unclear.

You did imply (then state) that if the head unit would not work without an iPhone you would not buy the car, which is what I was trying to address. The confusion here is entirely due to my poor wording.

mikeTee 04-14-2014 01:11 PM

For those who are interested in CarPlay, this post is for you:

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Car electronics manufacturer Alpine will begin selling a standalone aftermarket console that will support Apple's CarPlay vehicle integration feature, reports Japanese business newspaper Nikkei. Alpine's offering, which will likely be the first aftermarket device to support CarPlay, is said to hit the United States and Europe this year with a cost of around $500 to $700.

While CarPlay will be found in a number of announced and upcoming vehicles from manufacturers such as Mercedes-Benz, Volvo, BMW, Ford, GM, and Honda, the integration of the system into older vehicles has been a topic of much discussion in recent months. Pioneer Electronics expressed interest in implementing CarPlay compatibility with its existing and future products, only to back away from its comments soon after. Other companies, such as Kenwood, have indicated to MacRumors that CarPlay is only being looked at for integration and that adoption is not currently imminent.

Recently, automotive peripheral company Clarion also hinted at the possibility of bringing CarPlay its aftermarket in-dash systems. In an email to MacRumors, the firm noted that it has been working with Apple "from the start" and that it would be further developing its Smart Access in-car infotainment system and CarPlay for different purposes. Ultimately, the company stated that it will support CarPlay in both its aftermarket and OEM products at some point in the future.

Apple announced its CarPlay iOS vehicle integration feature last month at the Geneva International Motor Show. The feature allows an iPhone to take over the in-dash display of a car, providing Siri voice controlled access to aspects such as navigation, phone functions, messages, and music. The feature was included in Apple's iOS 7.1 update and works with Lighting-enabled iPhones including the iPhone 5s, iPhone 5c, and iPhone 5.
Source: http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/13/...rplay-console/

Looks like Alpine and Clarion are on-board. I'll definitely be picking a CarPlay compatible head unit this year once available.

Model Citizen 04-14-2014 01:41 PM

how does this all work when texts you don't want your passenger reading pop up on screen?

mikeTee 04-14-2014 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Model Citizen (Post 1671220)
how does this all work when texts you don't want your passenger reading pop up on screen?

If the passenger is your significant other, you need to see a relationship counselor. :brokenheart:

Model Citizen 04-14-2014 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeTee (Post 1671707)
If the passenger is your significant other, you need to see a relationship counselor. :brokenheart:

Can that be done online?


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