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CoupedUpSubie 03-01-2014 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 1567318)
I would of expected JZ, but prob you're right
I was staying away from a Toyota developed engine. Be funny to see what would happen if some did as I suggested.

ichitaka05 03-01-2014 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by hmong337 (Post 1567323)
Scrap the fa20 for a 2gr?
Why?

mav1178 03-01-2014 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dem00n (Post 1567315)
You do know that 3.99 L Flat-6 is an officially approved Daytona prototype racing engine right?
I know.

Along with 9 other approved engines.

Again... my statement is in the context of the thread. Flat 4 in a build-from-scratch design prototype is dumb. If OP wants to argue F1 or Le Mans (assuming LMP1 or LMP2 classess), then that's where my post rests.

Don't get me started on DP... ALMS and Grand Am merging is the biggest mess in motorsports right now.

-alex

mav1178 03-01-2014 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dem00n (Post 1567327)
I don't give a shit about that.

I'm pointing at this. Know why a flat-ANYTHING is a bad design for racing? Because it's a really REALLY shitty engine to create a platform around, for packaging reasons.

I could write you a book on how many cars have won races with flat engines, a V8 might be superior but there is no denying that the flat engine has had its place in history.

Something better always comes, but i won't deny history.
I'm not denying history... I'm just talking about things in the context of what OP is asking.

I don't deny (and actually embrace) the history of flat engine motorsports achievements.. huge Porsche (and Le Mans) fan here. Each engine will have its pros and cons.

You and I are on the same page, I'm just writing my post in this thread and trying to stick to the original discussion about "what's good about Subaru" and the whole "no F1 blah blah the flat engine is the best thing since sliced bread why not use it more blah blah" discussion that OP keeps on having.

-alex

CoupedUpSubie 03-01-2014 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 1567321)
They don't compete in high level motorsports because Toyota doesn't let them.

Toyota funds a lot of their R&D (compare new FA/B advances over old EJ to the Toyota GR motors valvetrain) and probably extracurricular activities as well.

That being said, they are a niche brand with populist aspirations. Which is sad, because they used to be a little weird/cool, but now they are moving towards being 'normal' (boring) with AWD.

We'll see in the future how Toyota will move to differentiate their brands, pending Scion's stay of execution thanks to the FR-S.
The FA/B series engine actually got a lot of design from the diesel boxer's subaru makes for cars outside of the US. The stroke to bore ratio allowed by the asymmetrical connecting rods is great in a high compression design.

hmong337 03-01-2014 03:59 PM
What??? I said the flat engine is the best???

ichitaka05 03-01-2014 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by hmong337 (Post 1567361)
What??? I said the flat engine is the best???
Then why aren't you have boxer engine in your MR2?

hmong337 03-01-2014 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 1567375)
Then why aren't you have boxer engine in your MR2?
Lol... This is getting out of hand.

ichitaka05 03-01-2014 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hmong337 (Post 1567377)
Lol... This is getting out of hand.
No, it's not going crazy yet

Low CoG, can get more power out of 3s

I think, you don't like boxer engine. I think, you're shame of boxer engine.

If you really like boxer engine, you would swap it

chrisl 03-01-2014 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 1567241)
No, turbo isn't saving them. Reason why they're live is due to bang for a buck AWD. NA Impreza out sell WRX & STI.
Not just bang for the buck, but a really, really good AWD system. Out of all the systems I've driven hard on a slick surface (which includes the Porsche Cayenne and Panamera 4, several Audis ranging from 1991 to the present, BMWs xDrive, and a couple of Subarus), I find Subaru to handle the best. The way it distributes the power makes it very predictable and controllable on a slick surface while getting great traction. I wouldn't trade my Outback for just about anything on one of the snowy days around here.

ichitaka05 03-01-2014 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisl (Post 1567382)
Not just bang for the buck, but a really, really good AWD system. Out of all the systems I've driven hard on a slick surface (which includes the Porsche Cayenne and Panamera 4, several Audis ranging from 1991 to the present, BMWs xDrive, and a couple of Subarus), I find Subaru to handle the best. The way it distributes the power makes it very predictable and controllable on a slick surface while getting great traction. I wouldn't trade my Outback for just about anything on one of the snowy days around here.
Then, you need to drive EVO & Acura's SH-AWD. They're pretty damn good.

...but those sucker are pricy than Subie

hmong337 03-01-2014 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 1567381)
No, seriously.

Low CoG, can get more power out of 3s

I think, you don't like boxer engine. I think, you're shame of boxer engine.

If you really like boxer engine, you would swap it
I will say that I never liked the boxer engine at all. For what should be a simple 4 cylinder, the boxer style is overly complex. I'm a big diy type of guy and this engine style just isn't making it easier to work on. But I do like the car though. The handling is world class. The engine is mehhh.

The mr2 is old... It has no business competiting these days. Fun to drive and to look at though.

CoupedUpSubie 03-01-2014 04:31 PM
The newer boxers are a bit of a pain to work on because of the amount of other crap that has to be in the car. My 95 is stupid easy to work on, engine pulls are pretty easy.

ichitaka05 03-01-2014 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by hmong337 (Post 1567396)
I will say that I never liked the boxer engine at all. For what should be a simple 4 cylinder, the boxer style is overly complex. I'm a big diy type of guy and this engine style just isn't making it easier to work on. But I do like the car though. The handling is world class. The engine is mehhh.

The mr2 is old... It has no business competiting these days. Fun to drive and to look at though.
But you said, flat engine is the best. Were you lying? Don't you want the best for your MR2? Or you don't care for that car? MR2 became your POS beater car? If that's not the true, you want the best for your MR2, right?

You like the car? What car? What engine?


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