No problem. Dirt cheap and possible to make 600+ hp with ease.

Coming from the New England area I can say it happens quite often. Especially where Subaru offers the XT version of the forester and outback. I've seen many WRX, RS2.5(90's style), STi owners go to a more family oriented car.

Oh shit, did he really just say that?

http://benchmarkmotors.com/wp-conten...e_917_no20.jpg

Re-read my statement.

My response was in the context of all this talk about "top level motorsports".

If the class rules stipulate a production car, then a flat 4/6/8 will make sense because the manufacturer is trying to sell the car.

But move that discussion to prototype or F1, and .... when was the last time you saw a prototype powered by a flat engine?

-alex

But but...
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...e_917K_001.jpg
@mav1178

Yea... That was like 40 years ago. But who says you can't come back and go against the grain? "Proud of Boxer", no?

Yes, I did say that.

What year was that 917?

And if one is going to argue Porsche, my counterpoint is this:

1) their road cars are all flat-6 based. The race version of a production car will reflect this.
2) the GT1 was a purpose-built racing prototype, but to fit into FIA GT1 rules in the 1990s they had to make a road car
3) See: newer RS Spyder and 919 Hybrid for "current" engine configurations based on existing class rules.

-alex

Nope, V engine can do better.

NEXT

Sounds like someone can't handle the truth. I'm not fired up, I'm enjoying myself while helping to make you see that you brought it all on yourself at the beginning. Especially with saying, not trolling.

I like my Subaru's because they hold up well for me, take more of a beating then other similar classed cars, and handle really good in the snow. I do not own an AWD Subaru so that is obviously not why I like them. I'm also a GM and Mopar fan.

I guess in the 70s. But your also talking about insane budgets. Not really something porsche has had a ton of till their acquisition by VAG.

You do know that 3.99 L Flat-6 is an officially approved Daytona prototype racing engine right?

Yes, proud of boxer...

Oh wait, a V-4?

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newssept13.html

In any case, we can spend all day talking about motorsports. In modern day racing, the engine configuration will be 1) something that is found in a road car because the race car is based on the road car, or 2) something unique/one-off to showcase manufacturer branding and technology.

-alex

I would of expected JZ, but prob you're right

They don't compete in high level motorsports because Toyota doesn't let them.

Toyota funds a lot of their R&D (compare new FA/B advances over old EJ to the Toyota GR motors valvetrain) and probably extracurricular activities as well.

That being said, they are a niche brand with populist aspirations. Which is sad, because they used to be a little weird/cool, but now they are moving towards being 'normal' (boring) with AWD.

We'll see in the future how Toyota will move to differentiate their brands, pending Scion's stay of execution thanks to the FR-S.

Scrap the fa20 for a 2gr?

I don't give a shit about that.

I'm pointing at this. Know why a flat-ANYTHING is a bad design for racing? Because it's a really REALLY shitty engine to create a platform around, for packaging reasons.

I could write you a book on how many cars have won races with flat engines, a V8 might be superior but there is no denying that the flat engine has had its place in history.

Something better always comes, but i won't deny history.