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BRZPDX 02-20-2014 06:48 PM

PRE Intercooler stage 2 TC kit almost ready
 
Stopped by PRE today and saw @evan 's FR-S lol, I was honking at you at Chevron too, seems like you were looking down the whole time.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...80606799_n.jpg

so they are in the tuning phase of the intercooler set up (Garette) and the shop car is using the 500hp rated core. BoV is recommended at this set up now.

https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/...54250414_n.jpg

Here is what the piping looks like at top:

https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/...93050113_n.jpg

https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/...87647354_n.jpg

What do you guys think? Shop car is going to be tuned about 11psi, their hoping about 330 ish whp. I think I may go a lil conserve and go 9psi. Super excited for this!! I may lose the washer tank, but they may fab up a small tank. Planning on putting the oil cooler by the wheel well on the driver side front, and take out the fog light since I never use them and they suck imo.

As for supporting mods, I'll need a BoV, Wideband o2 sensor and maybe a EGT sensor. Already got the tranny cooler so I'm not trying to clutter the front end too much. The Spal slim fan seems like a reaaaaalllly good idea after reading some fans melting.. I'm also considering punching holes in the mustache area with a black mesh grill (so it doesn't look super ghetto) to get some air flowing through there, seems to be pretty effective from the track guys. Also a vented hood, not sure if I want a CF hood or hack up the oem hood.

deucethemoose 02-20-2014 08:01 PM

No me gusta. Looks WAY too tight. I'd be afraid to see how high IATs might be with that design.

PoWn3d_0704 02-20-2014 09:46 PM

Yeah, the intake and exhaust pipes are nearly touching, its bad enough the turbos put they hot and cool air so close to each other.

evan 02-21-2014 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRZPDX (Post 1545185)
Stopped by PRE today and saw @evan 's FR-S lol, I was honking at you at Chevron too, seems like you were looking down the whole time.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...80606799_n.jpg

so they are in the tuning phase of the intercooler set up (Garette) and the shop car is using the 500hp rated core. BoV is recommended at this set up now.

https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/...54250414_n.jpg

Here is what the piping looks like at top:

https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/...93050113_n.jpg

https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/...87647354_n.jpg

What do you guys think? Shop car is going to be tuned about 11psi, their hoping about 330 ish whp. I think I may go a lil conserve and go 9psi. Super excited for this!! I may lose the washer tank, but they may fab up a small tank. Planning on putting the oil cooler by the wheel well on the driver side front, and take out the fog light since I never use them and they suck imo.

As for supporting mods, I'll need a BoV, Wideband o2 sensor and maybe a EGT sensor. Already got the tranny cooler so I'm not trying to clutter the front end too much. The Spal slim fan seems like a reaaaaalllly good idea after reading some fans melting.. I'm also considering punching holes in the mustache area with a black mesh grill (so it doesn't look super ghetto) to get some air flowing through there, seems to be pretty effective from the track guys. Also a vented hood, not sure if I want a CF hood or hack up the oem hood.

Sorry man.. I'm really a very oblivious person on the road these days. Not so much when I was younger. I must have been keeping a keen eye on the family jewels.. :lol:

evan 02-21-2014 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by deucethemoose (Post 1545410)
No me gusta. Looks WAY too tight. I'd be afraid to see how high IATs might be with that design.

I have a theory as to why they won't be, but that'll be a discussion for another day.

deucethemoose 02-21-2014 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by evan (Post 1546345)
I have a theory as to why they won't be, but that'll be a discussion for another day.

I see the methanol injection, but what I don't see is the MAF. Metering cool air up front and then heating it over the downpipe... and then trying to cool it off via meth injection? :iono:

BRZPDX 03-17-2014 08:11 PM

I am scheduled for install on the week of March 31st, through April 5th for a FMIC fabrication/install, BoV, and custom oil cooler bracket in the driver side front bumper behind the fog lights. So say good buy to fog lights, and I will have a hole there (not yet decided to spend $400 on CF fog delete from APR).

So far the shop car is pushing 11.5 psi and is about 360whp, customer car #1 is pushing about 8psi and is right under 300whp. I'm probably gonna be similar, and hit that 300whp mark and call it good until doing internals.

As for the oil, do you guys think I should go 5w-30 or stick with 0w-20? I will discuss this with the shop as well, but so many different opinions.. Also with spark plugs, seems like many people are sticking to stock plugs, but a colder plug helps?
@evan how did they go about on putting a sensor by the throttle to log IAT's on your car?

evan 03-17-2014 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZPDX (Post 1606633)
I am scheduled for install on the week of March 31st, through April 5th for a FMIC fabrication/install, BoV, and custom oil cooler bracket in the driver side front bumper behind the fog lights. So say good buy to fog lights, and I will have a hole there (not yet decided to spend $400 on CF fog delete from APR).

So far the shop car is pushing 11.5 psi and is about 360whp, customer car #1 is pushing about 8psi and is right under 300whp. I'm probably gonna be similar, and hit that 300whp mark and call it good until doing internals.

As for the oil, do you guys think I should go 5w-30 or stick with 0w-20? I will discuss this with the shop as well, but so many different opinions.. Also with spark plugs, seems like many people are sticking to stock plugs, but a colder plug helps?
@evan how did they go about on putting a sensor by the throttle to log IAT's on your car?


Nice. Stick to 0w-20. We're not in Phoenix. Engine clearances were setup for thinner oil. Ultimately, 5w-30 might be ok as it is. You could go with a slightly colder plug, but I think most FI guys are sticking to stock or replacing with stock.

On my innovate kit, the plate on the intake manifold where the map sensor mounts to has been drilled for an additional sensor. It's essentially for reading boost for the WMI to spray. This was where the car was also used to tune based on post-blower IATs. At least, this was the explanation I had gotten from Bobby. I'll verify with Erich.

NickFRS 03-17-2014 10:34 PM

That intake pipe is deadly close to that downpipe... Almost looks like the Vband is touching it. It looks like the o2 is touching it...

PRE-Erich 03-18-2014 03:14 AM

It's close but the air gap plus wrapping hasn't shown any issues on the shop car to date. Btw, it's making a lot more than the 340 we were expecting at 11psi

BRZPDX 03-18-2014 01:02 PM

Jason needs to take his shop car to auto-x or track to test the limits.

PRE-Erich 03-18-2014 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRZPDX (Post 1608188)
Jason needs to take his shop car to auto-x or track to test the limits.

We need wheels/tires first. The car is a development platform for making horsepower, we do plan to get it set up to at least make some 1/4 passes this summer for those elusive "trap speeds"

Jmonty 03-19-2014 01:20 AM

Thanks for the update Erich

PRE-Erich 03-19-2014 09:58 PM

I wonder if my 24.5x9.5x13 slicks would fit over the rear brakes on the BRZ

NickFRS 03-19-2014 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRE-Erich (Post 1612179)
I wonder if my 24.5x9.5x13 slicks would fit over the rear brakes on the BRZ

Only one way to find out. :party0030:

PRE-Erich 03-20-2014 12:56 PM

Haha, dual duty SRT4/BRZ slicks & skinnies. I bet a 15in rim would fit over the rear brakes but I highly doubt my 13's will fit. Next time we have the rear wheels off a brz/frs I will test fit and see.

evan 03-20-2014 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRE-Erich (Post 1613434)
Haha, dual duty SRT4/BRZ slicks & skinnies. I bet a 15in rim would fit over the rear brakes but I highly doubt my 13's will fit. Next time we have the rear wheels off a brz/frs I will test fit and see.


Test fit on mine and let's see a burnout video posted :)

LeviathanDC5 03-21-2014 07:15 AM

Very interested in this set up! I plan on turboing my car within a year or so but the only one that intrigued me was the Crawford one. That kit requires internals and a lot of supporting mods though. If this can produce over 350whp it has my interest! I look forward to seeing how reliable this set up is and how much the final product is going to be!

stockysnail 03-21-2014 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeviathanDC5 (Post 1615408)
Very interested in this set up! I plan on turboing my car within a year or so but the only one that intrigued me was the Crawford one. That kit requires internals and a lot of supporting mods though. If this can produce over 350whp it has my interest! I look forward to seeing how reliable this set up is and how much the final product is going to be!

The Borg Warner turbos have received so much praise. I'd go with one of those. It's what Nameless Performance uses on their race car if I remember correctly.

BRZPDX 03-21-2014 09:01 PM

I'll probably end up using water/meth injection kit in the near future to keep the IAT's down. I have a feeling a FMIC won't be enough during summer.

I'm also still waiting on this dudes functional fender vent project to see how much hot air we can draw out from that location.

Vented hood, and I will be taking out the fog lights (since I never use them) to have holes in their for my oil cooler.

Also going to get a turbo blanket, and thin spal fans with a custom radiator housing from Full Blown to get more clearance from the hot pipe. That should give about 2in clearance. It also comes with a upgraded radiator core as well.

Then a turbo blanket, and a turbo shroud is probably a good idea. Holes in the front bumper seem to help as well.

NickFRS 03-21-2014 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRZPDX (Post 1617134)
I'll probably end up using water/meth injection kit in the near future to keep the IAT's down. I have a feeling a FMIC won't be enough during summer.

I'm also still waiting on this dudes functional fender vent project to see how much hot air we can draw out from that location.

Vented hood, and I will be taking out the fog lights (since I never use them) to have holes in their for my oil cooler.

Also going to get a turbo blanket, and thin spal fans with a custom radiator housing from Full Blown to get more clearance from the hot pipe. That should give about 2in clearance. It also comes with a upgraded radiator core as well.

Then a turbo blanket, and a turbo shroud is probably a good idea. Holes in the front bumper seem to help as well.

I'm drilling my bumper soon....

PRE-Erich 03-26-2014 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRZPDX (Post 1617134)
I'll probably end up using water/meth injection kit in the near future to keep the IAT's down. I have a feeling a FMIC won't be enough during summer.

I'm also still waiting on this dudes functional fender vent project to see how much hot air we can draw out from that location.

Vented hood, and I will be taking out the fog lights (since I never use them) to have holes in their for my oil cooler.

Also going to get a turbo blanket, and thin spal fans with a custom radiator housing from Full Blown to get more clearance from the hot pipe. That should give about 2in clearance. It also comes with a upgraded radiator core as well.

Then a turbo blanket, and a turbo shroud is probably a good idea. Holes in the front bumper seem to help as well.

Turbo blanket will be a very tight fit with the pulleys near the turbo. The turbo you have has a stainless turbine housing which is considerably more thermally efficient than your typical cast iron housings. If you wanted to go one step further you could have it ceramic coated. The thin fans are a great idea and something we have been recommending to all our turbo customers.

BRZPDX 03-26-2014 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRE-Erich (Post 1627548)
Turbo blanket will be a very tight fit with the pulleys near the turbo. The turbo you have has a stainless turbine housing which is considerably more thermally efficient than your typical cast iron housings. If you wanted to go one step further you could have it ceramic coated. The thin fans are a great idea and something we have been recommending to all our turbo customers.

I see, thanks for the info!

One step at a time though.. See you soon :wub:

stockysnail 03-27-2014 01:50 AM

I hope it turns out to be better than you expect. I also hope to see you on the track.

Crawford Performance 03-27-2014 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeviathanDC5 (Post 1615408)
Very interested in this set up! I plan on turboing my car within a year or so but the only one that intrigued me was the Crawford one. That kit requires internals and a lot of supporting mods though. If this can produce over 350whp it has my interest! I look forward to seeing how reliable this set up is and how much the final product is going to be!



Please let me correct your comment, our turbo kit does not require anything more than any other turbo kit on the market. Boost is boost...


But if you want to make 500 pound feet of torque then we sell all the parts you will end up breaking along the way, and they are all upgrades not part of our kit ;)

BRZPDX 03-27-2014 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stockysnail (Post 1629165)
I hope it turns out to be better than you expect. I also hope to see you on the track.

Wedding, honey moon and condo purchase is in the way of mods right now. My struts are going out, so I will need to replace those after getting the cooling upgrades done. Then finally on to the brakes, sways, RCA's and DSS rear axles.

I think at that time, I will be comfortable pushing my car at the track. Until then, its a ticking time bomb!

NickFRS 03-27-2014 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford Performance (Post 1629661)
Please let me correct your comment, our turbo kit does not require anything more than any other turbo kit on the market. Boost is boost...


But if you want to make 500 pound feet of torque then we sell all the parts you will end up breaking along the way, and they are all upgrades not part of our kit ;)

I thought you were banned. ITS THE CRAWFORD GHOST!

Thatruth2001 03-27-2014 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRZPDX (Post 1630727)
Wedding, honey moon and condo purchase is in the way of mods right now. My struts are going out, so I will need to replace those after getting the cooling upgrades done. Then finally on to the brakes, sways, RCA's and DSS rear axles.

I think at that time, I will be comfortable pushing my car at the track. Until then, its a ticking time bomb!

You still running stock struts with the lowering springs?

NickFRS 03-27-2014 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRZPDX (Post 1630727)
Wedding, honey moon and condo purchase is in the way of mods right now. My struts are going out, so I will need to replace those after getting the cooling upgrades done. Then finally on to the brakes, sways, RCA's and DSS rear axles.

I think at that time, I will be comfortable pushing my car at the track. Until then, its a ticking time bomb!

You could prob find someone to buy stock struts for $100

BRZPDX 03-27-2014 10:50 PM

yea stock struts. I'm still debating if I should go with Bilstein shocks or get the B14 coils, since it will be about the same price. Only thing is that the springs look super fat and some wheel set ups may rub.

Or say fuck it and go Tarmac II or KW V3.

NickFRS 03-27-2014 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRZPDX (Post 1631411)
yea stock struts. I'm still debating if I should go with Bilstein shocks or get the B14 coils, since it will be about the same price. Only thing is that the springs look super fat and some wheel set ups may rub.

Or say fuck it and go Tarmac II or KW V3.

Bilsteins or KYB

digital_assassin 03-28-2014 01:40 AM

@BRZPDX - You can have my stock struts for free if you want to stretch out switching suspension for a little while longer. They have about 2,000 miles on them at OEM height so basically brand new.

Touge_ninja 03-28-2014 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digital_assassin (Post 1631747)
@BRZPDX - You can have my stock struts for free if you want to stretch out switching suspension for a little while longer. They have about 2,000 miles on them at OEM height so basically brand new.

Since kevin is giving stuff away, can i haz your advanz lol

BRZPDX 04-01-2014 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digital_assassin (Post 1631747)
@BRZPDX - You can have my stock struts for free if you want to stretch out switching suspension for a little while longer. They have about 2,000 miles on them at OEM height so basically brand new.



Just saw this Kevin. I'll hit you up tomorrow, this would help me out a bunch!


Car is at PRE now, getting the IC and Turbo smart Race port BoV installed, and will need to go in to find good spot for my oil cooler behind the fog light. 10psi, but with IC pressure los of about 1.5psi, so in reality about 9ish psi. I can't ducking wait!

BRZPDX 04-01-2014 03:31 PM

So talking with FullBlown (Since the PRE kit is very similar), looks like an upgraded rad/shroud/fan is almost a must for their kits. I'm assuming as ambient temps rise, this will be a critical upgrade for any FI guys out there.

Damn I already miss my car, its gonna be a loooong week lol.

dgerny 04-01-2014 03:40 PM

Wanna trade cars? I have a semi stock frs.. :'(

m.box.design 04-01-2014 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRZPDX (Post 1641550)
So talking with FullBlown (Since the PRE kit is very similar), looks like an upgraded rad/shroud/fan is almost a must for their kits. I'm assuming as ambient temps rise, this will be a critical upgrade for any FI guys out there.

Damn I already miss my car, its gonna be a loooong week lol.

I'll drift a few corners for you.

Can't wait to see your new setup. Take me for a test ride when you do get it back.

Jmonty 04-01-2014 10:33 PM

I too would love a test drive when you get it back

BRZPDX 04-01-2014 11:15 PM

No prob, I'm gonna see the progress tomorrow, and maybe we can all meet up at C&C for a test drive day. I forgot how stock feels so I want to ride someone's non fi 86 as well.

m.box.design 04-01-2014 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRZPDX (Post 1642713)
No prob, I'm gonna see the progress tomorrow, and maybe we can all meet up at C&C for a test drive day. I forgot how stock feels so I want to ride someone's non fi 86 as well.

<--- this guy's car. :cheers:


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