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Ultramaroon 04-04-2015 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Readytoxplod (Post 2199168)
Same issue I have, a squeak with resistance/ crunch at the end of pedal travel. This really should be a TSB for replacing the clutch assembly , throwout bearing or whatever is causing this.

Crunch and resistance is different. Yours is that transmission end cover that gets all gouged up. Warranty for you. Don't wait.

Guillaume 04-04-2015 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2198286)
While you film the master cylinder outside, can you have someone else inside with the door closed push the clutch ?

What fluid did you use? Was it damp or raining at all when you changed it?

The slave cylinder swapped was done indoors at the dealers (it was a raining though), the fluid is Motul's RBF600.

Since I shot the video, the sound came and went a few times. I haven't noticed a clear pattern of the conditions for it to appear yet. I did spray some WD40 on the slave cylinder rod. We'll see.

Ultramaroon 04-04-2015 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Guillaume (Post 2199463)
The slave cylinder swapped was done indoors at the dealers (it was a raining though), the fluid is Motul's RBF600.

Since I shot the video, the sound came and went a few times. I haven't noticed a clear pattern of the conditions for it to appear yet. I did spray some WD40 on the slave cylinder rod. We'll see.

Fortunately, wd40 is not really a lubricant as much as a penetrant and drying agent. It will evaporate.

The end of the slave cylinder rod at the clutch fork should have a small dab of grease. There should be nothing under the boot.

Frsultramarine15 07-29-2015 09:05 AM

Im going in today for the same sound in the video. Im just hopeing they fix it under warranty, im at 22k miles.

gravitylover 07-29-2015 11:28 PM

I had mine in for this and the dealer said nothing wrong no service performed. When I brought the car in I had the adviser sit in the car and push the clutch in and he said woah, that's ugly huh. When I picked the car up and he said they test drove it and found nothing and they didn't do anything but kept the car for two days so I mentioned what he said and then "I never heard any noise of any sort, don't put words in my mouth." BULLSHIT! I was so proud of myself for not going over the counter.

Who do I contact at SOA to take it to the next level?

YamahaR86 08-05-2015 12:07 AM

Noticed mine squeaked. I'm at 19,171 miles. Took it to the dealership today, waited an hour and a half to be told they'll call me tomorrow because they have to call tech support about the issue.

The adviser said they did a 2014 model (I told them I assume it was the Throw-out Bearing) and it still had the issue. So they're going to call tech to see if there is a "new" solution.

TBH I'd be happy if they replace the whole clutch system, or at least the throw out bearing to know I at least tried to fix the problem.

Guff 08-05-2015 01:14 AM

Mine came back after almost a year. Lubing the clutch fork did the trick the first time, so I'm probably going to try the same thing this time.

Holyshiba 08-05-2015 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Synack (Post 1848410)
Your creaking sounds a lot like a dry clutch fork to me. I'd have Scion/Toyota fix that for you under warranty.
* I had this same exact issue

What do you tell the dealer to show that it's covered under warranty. Is the clutch exempt or is it covered under the basic warranty? How do you diagnosis if it's a bad throw out bearing versus just a dry clutch fork? Can the clutch fork only be lubed if tranny is taking off?Thanks in advance.

Holyshiba 08-05-2015 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ericmpena (Post 2138587)
Subaru had my car for 7 hours (10am-5pm) and they say that they have fixed the issue. The cause of the squeaking was the throwout bearing. I'm picking up my car in the morning...so I'll let you all know if they actually fixed the issue.

EDIT: Got my car back today. Issue appears to be gone. Throwout bearing was causing the issue.

Was the throw out bearing covered under basic warranty? How did they pin point that was the root cause? Thanks in advance.

YamahaR86 08-05-2015 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Holyshiba (Post 2346585)
What do you tell the dealer to show that it's covered under warranty. Is the clutch exempt or is it covered under the basic warranty? How do you diagnosis if it's a bad throw out bearing versus just a dry clutch fork? Can the clutch fork only be lubed if tranny is taking off?Thanks in advance.

Tell them whats up with the car and how much mileage you have. The clutch is based on the mileage I'd say, some dealerships will say it's a "wear and tear" issue and so you have to fight them on it. I searched around on here and got the same issues others were having, a "squeaky clutch" sounds like wet rubber shoes or a rusty spring.

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Originally Posted by Holyshiba (Post 2346593)
Was the throw out bearing covered under basic warranty? How did they pin point that was the root cause? Thanks in advance.

The throw out bearing isn't covered under Basic Warranty. Basic Warranty is 3 years or 36,000 miles.

Instead, it's covered under the Power Train Warranty. This has to deal with the engine and it's 5 years or 60,000 miles.

frslee 08-05-2015 12:00 PM

Happens to be occasionally. I called nearby dealer (Russell Toyota, MD) and they were saying they'd have to charge me diagnostic fee $115? to check the car out. Then if they decide if it's under the warranty, then the fee will be waved. I have a feeling they're going to say it won't be covered under the warranty and charge me the fee. Might have to try other dealer.

ericmpena 08-06-2015 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Holyshiba (Post 2346593)
Was the throw out bearing covered under basic warranty? How did they pin point that was the root cause? Thanks in advance.

yes, it was covered under warranty. I have no idea of the work they did to find the problem. I just took it to them, showed them the issue...scheduled a date to drop it off...and then they figured it out from there and got my car back later with no issues.

emutcfut 08-06-2015 02:19 PM

Brought my car in to Toyota yesterday and had this problem fixed. Work order said the cause of the squeaking on my car was lack of lube on the clutch fork pivot point. They lubed it up and so far so good.

Decimus 08-07-2015 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by emutcfut (Post 2348417)
Brought my car in to Toyota yesterday and had this problem fixed. Work order said the cause of the squeaking on my car was lack of lube on the clutch fork pivot point. They lubed it up and so far so good.

Can anyone help pin point the location stated above? I want to check (if possible) before wasting time at the dealer

Sigh-on-Rice 08-07-2015 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Decimus (Post 2349316)
Can anyone help pin point the location stated above? I want to check (if possible) before wasting time at the dealer

It's 31204 in the picture below.

http://www.villagescionparts.com/ima...ize/312603.jpg

This picture is from another car, but helps you to guess where the pivot point is.

http://ep.yimg.com/ay/supra/toyota-s...ase-fork-3.gif

And this is inside of the bell housing, which is not somewhere you can get to with just a common tools.

YamahaR86 08-08-2015 12:24 AM

So my update.

Day 1, brought it to dealership. Waited an hour and a half to say they'll call me next day cause they need to call tech support. Was told to bring it in next day, tech said to try and lube it up.

Day 2, brought it in, waited another hour and a half for them to lube it up. DIDN'T WORK as I assumed. They're going to open it up to see whats going on and tech said since it's open might as well throw in a new Throw-Out Bearing in there (like I stated when I first went in).
Adviser said it's going to be an all day job and I'll have to drop the car off.

Now I'm pissed off because I had to take off work early for those 2 days, and now take off to drop my car off AGAIN for a third day and get a ride because they didn't want to open it up the first time.

MastasmurF 08-12-2015 01:45 PM

So I'm having this same exact problem on my 2013 FRS. I did some reading in these forums and found the threads relating to the throw out bearing being worn out etc. So I brought mine in to the dealership. I mentioned to my service rep that it may be the throw out bearing but I don't think he paid any attention to my suggestion. They called me back a few hours later and told me that it was fixed. Here is what they put on my report.

" Driveability Concern:
Clutch is making a loud squeaking noise. Pin-pointed noise to Slave Cylinder. Greased clutch slave cylinder and abnormal noise is not heard."

About 200-300 yards after driving off the lot I started to feel a physical "crunching" feeling when pushing the clutch all the way in. The squeaking noise came back in full force and it is actually more audible now. I'm dropping it off again this Friday.

This is my first full-time standard transmission daily driver. I don't think I "ride the clutch" either. So I can't see it being my fault with only 17,400 miles on it. Is it a whole day job for them to check the throwout bearing?

kodyo 08-12-2015 02:40 PM

To check the throw out bearing they have to take off the transmission. Probably take a few hours, but I don't see you getting it back same day.

JS + BRZ 08-12-2015 03:44 PM

I went in for the same thing, they said it's not a bad enough of an issue yet to open up the transmission. Told me that I still have a lot of warranty on my car.

They mentioned that they can open up the transmission to see what it is, but if there's no issue, I will have to pay for the labor. They would cover it under warranty, if there's an issue with it though.

I said I'll come back if it gets worse..

Tt3Sheppard 08-12-2015 03:52 PM

I'm out of warranty at this point, 61000 miles. The noise came back ever so slightly after bringing the car to a manual car wash. I did focus a bit more on the windshield/hood area so I wonder if water somehow got onto the slave cylinder push rod and caused some of this noise. There is a semi good amount of grease buildup around that rod.

CatDaddysBBQ 08-12-2015 06:54 PM

It took the dealership a few days to fix mine - the had to order clutch parts. That squeak ended up being a whole new clutch, master cylinder and shift fork by the time they worked their way down to the actual problem.

JS + BRZ 08-12-2015 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CatDaddysBBQ (Post 2355224)
It took the dealership a few days to fix mine - the had to order clutch parts. That squeak ended up being a whole new clutch, master cylinder and shift fork by the time they worked their way down to the actual problem.

Do you happen to have a work sheet for that? I would like to show it to my dealership..

MastasmurF 08-13-2015 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CatDaddysBBQ (Post 2355224)
It took the dealership a few days to fix mine - the had to order clutch parts. That squeak ended up being a whole new clutch, master cylinder and shift fork by the time they worked their way down to the actual problem.

Were you still under warranty and did they provide you with a rental car free of charge if so?

MastasmurF 08-14-2015 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MastasmurF (Post 2354797)
So I'm having this same exact problem on my 2013 FRS. I did some reading in these forums and found the threads relating to the throw out bearing being worn out etc. So I brought mine in to the dealership. I mentioned to my service rep that it may be the throw out bearing but I don't think he paid any attention to my suggestion. They called me back a few hours later and told me that it was fixed. Here is what they put on my report.

" Driveability Concern:
Clutch is making a loud squeaking noise. Pin-pointed noise to Slave Cylinder. Greased clutch slave cylinder and abnormal noise is not heard."

About 200-300 yards after driving off the lot I started to feel a physical "crunching" feeling when pushing the clutch all the way in. The squeaking noise came back in full force and it is actually more audible now. I'm dropping it off again this Friday.

This is my first full-time standard transmission daily driver. I don't think I "ride the clutch" either. So I can't see it being my fault with only 17,400 miles on it. Is it a whole day job for them to check the throwout bearing?


Update 1: I dropped my car off this morning and spoke with the mechanic who will be working on it. I told him about the throwout bearing issue that some people have and he said it can't be that because the noise is happening when the engine is turned off. I don't know the fine details on how those parts work so I don't know how true that is. He mentioned that someone else brought theirs in earlier this week with the same issue. He said that there is most likely some rust build up in the slave cylinder that needs to be greased. I'll post an update when I get my car back.

CatDaddysBBQ 08-14-2015 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MastasmurF (Post 2355899)
Were you still under warranty and did they provide you with a rental car free of charge if so?

Under warranty. Came in with 35,4xx miles on the clock, lol. Honestly I think that would be under the 4/48 power train coverage, but it's still funny to think I slipped in with like 500 miles to go.

I got a rental for free, they had the car for about 6 days. I'll look for the paperwork and try to upload it if i can.

MastasmurF 08-14-2015 03:55 PM

Update 2: I picked up my car from the dealership and they said that it was the Slave Solenoid connections that were causing the noise. I mis-quoted the tech in my earlier post. They removed the solenoid connections and greased them. I could not hear the sounds while I was in the parking lot but after I drove back to my house which is only 2 or 3 miles away it started making the same noise again... I'm not really sure what to do here... Oh and I also did a test and it makes the noise whether the engine is running or not. I feel like they are really trying to avoid breaking the clutch down to find the issue. Any suggestions?

Ultramaroon 08-14-2015 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MastasmurF (Post 2357571)
Update 2: I picked up my car from the dealership and they said that it was the Slave Solenoid connections that were causing the noise. I mis-quoted the tech in my earlier post. They removed the solenoid connections and greased them. I could not hear the sounds while I was in the parking lot but after I drove back to my house which is only 2 or 3 miles away it started making the same noise again... I'm not really sure what to do here... Oh and I also did a test and it makes the noise whether the engine is running or not. I feel like they are really trying to avoid breaking the clutch down to find the issue. Any suggestions?

It's your throwout bearing carrier binding/grinding against the transmission front cover. Print the image on this post and show it to your service dept.

http://i.imgur.com/hAGkHmz.jpg

tracerit 08-15-2015 07:15 AM

I'm picking my car up today. I had the same issue, squeaky sounds from the clutch after its been warmed up. It also felt a bit crunchy (think wet rubber like) when fully pressed in.

They attributed the issue to the throw out bearing. I'll try to put more details once I get the receipt.

Ultramaroon 08-15-2015 03:26 PM

15K miles and I'm starting to feel a little rumble in my clutch pedal when the engine is running. :(

I'll crack it open soon. Pics to follow.

tracerit 08-15-2015 10:34 PM

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Here's my invoice. Drove 30miles home and it's perfect. Warranty covered everything.

Ultramaroon 08-15-2015 10:57 PM

Man, imma have to check my axle nuts.

Aztec 08-15-2015 11:04 PM

Pretty sure my throw out bearing is causing my clutch to squeak as well. I already had both axle nuts replaced and turqued up. Which fixed all clicking sounds

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Ultramaroon 08-15-2015 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aztec (Post 2358633)
Pretty sure my throw out bearing is causing my clutch to squeak as well. I already had both axle nuts replaced and turqued up. Which fixed all clicking sounds

Guess we can drop our trannys together.




...wait, wut?

Aztec 08-15-2015 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2358639)
Guess we can drop our trannys together.




...wait, wut?

Let's do it some weekend coming up. You got the tools? ;)

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Ultramaroon 08-15-2015 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Aztec (Post 2358641)
Let's do it some weekend coming up. You got the tools? ;)

Does a bear shit in the woods? Srsly, tho, it would probably be best to split it up. We're both eligible for warranty. I just can't handle the idea of someone else potentially half-assing the job.

Aztec 08-15-2015 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2358650)
Does a bear shit in the woods? Srsly, tho, it would probably be best to split it up. We're both eligible for warranty. I just can't handle the idea of someone else potentially half-assing the job.

My car has a cat less header, lowered, wheels, tuned.

I'm not too sure I want to deal with them haha. They refused to fix my clicking axles nuts because I was lowered ha


EDIT: They blamed the clicking noise on the lowering springs. I'm like wat...

xlid007 08-17-2015 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2357597)
It's your throwout bearing carrier binding/grinding against the transmission front cover. Print the image on this post and show it to your service dept.

http://i.imgur.com/hAGkHmz.jpg

You are correct. I just got my car back for the same noise and the same parts were replaced. I had to fight with the service adviser because the techs first said that the noise was normal, which I insisted that it was not and that my car is barely 2 years old and it should not be making these types of noises. I drove with the tech and showed him the noise, then he smirked and said, "Yeah, we have to take the transmission apart to see what's going on". If you don't get firm with these people and shove the evidence in their face, they'll just make excuses not to fix your issue. Also, demand to speak to the ACTUAL Service Manager. A lot of them claim to be the Service Manager and they're not. He can actually get stuff done.

xlid007 08-17-2015 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Aztec (Post 2358651)
My car has a cat less header, lowered, wheels, tuned.

I'm not too sure I want to deal with them haha. They refused to fix my clicking axles nuts because I was lowered ha


EDIT: They blamed the clicking noise on the lowering springs. I'm like wat...

My car has full bolt-ons and tune. i guess that depends on the dealer. My dealer called me and told me that they had to remove my exhaust to get to the transmission and since it was aftermarket, they would not be responsible if it didn't line up. That's the only thing you would encounter. I knew they weren't going to have any issues since my exhaust lines up perfectly.

solidONE 08-17-2015 04:43 PM

Good to see this thread... I'm having the same problem. Barely made it into the dealer. By the time I got there they couldn't get it into first gear without stalling the car. They had to push the car into the shop. They're telling me that I may have to pay them $1500 for tear down and inspection if they find that it's not a factory defect.

What a relief I'm not the only one with the same problem.

Sigh-on-Rice 08-17-2015 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by solidONE (Post 2360162)
Good to see this thread... I'm having the same problem. Barely made it into the dealer. By the time I got there they couldn't get it into first gear without stalling the car. They had to push the car into the shop. They're telling me that I may have to pay them $1500 for tear down and inspection if they find that it's not a factory defect.

What a relief I'm not the only one with the same problem.

Yours sounds like a different problem. This thread is about the problem with clutch making squeaking noise. The clutch itself works normally. Was yours making a grinding noise instead of a squeaking noise? I'm guessing yours wasn't making the noise while the engine is off. The noise this thread talks about makes the noise even when the engine is off.


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