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Ozzman 09-13-2014 04:28 PM

You really think more expensive cars use better parts? Keep dreaming. If it's mass produced, then every penny possible is cut where you can't see it.

kodyo 09-14-2014 02:20 PM

Mine started making this squeak noise as well. With hood open, it's clearly coming from the clutch fork. Anyone tried pulling the rubber boot back and spraying grease in there?

CK_Bladesmith 09-14-2014 11:59 PM

Mine just started making this noise as well. Guess I'll be taking it to the dealership on my days off. :(

Ramster 09-15-2014 05:59 PM

Does anyone know if there is an aftermarket throw out bearing that someone sells? I've searched around and only thing i've been able to find are aftermarket clutch kits. Mine's started going out also but i'm thinking, is the OEM really any good if it went out after just 15k miles?

CK_Bladesmith 09-17-2014 05:47 PM

Toyota just called me and said they will not be able to replace the throw out bearing under warranty because my car has a supercharger on it. Not very happy at the moment but I guess you gotta pay to play.

kodyo 09-20-2014 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tunami (Post 1892657)
I took a better video tonight of the problem area. Is there a fix for this?


FRS clutch engagement noise - YouTube

Mine sounded exactly like this.

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Originally Posted by kodyo (Post 1946304)
Mine started making this squeak noise as well. With hood open, it's clearly coming from the clutch fork. Anyone tried pulling the rubber boot back and spraying grease in there?

I'll answer my own question.

Pulled back the rubber boot around the clutch fork today and sprayed white lithium grease randomly inside the housing (with clutch in and out) and the squeak went away and it feels buttery smooth now.

Protips:
1) The bottle doesn't spray upside down, which makes maneuvering it into place difficult. It is possible to orient the can vertically on the drivers side of the bell housing to spray in grease.
2) Put a piece of tape to tether the spray straw to the can. The first one I had fell off into the bell housing.

I'll report back later on how long this fix lasts.

SportInjected 09-22-2014 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kodyo (Post 1954597)

Pulled back the rubber boot around the clutch fork today and sprayed white lithium grease randomly inside the housing (with clutch in and out) and the squeak went away and it feels buttery smooth now.

I'll report back later on how long this fix lasts.

Mine started squeaking on the way back home from an hpde this Saturday. I looked at the area by the clutch fork boot, and there are definitely traces of grease visible on the side of the bell housing, originating at the boot. I pulled it back and gave it a few good sprays with white lithium grease, just like you suggested, and the noise went away. I'll have to do some testing with the car fully warmed up and report back.

gonzo 09-29-2014 04:17 PM

Regarding the squeak:

Over the weekend a mechanic told me the noise was from dust inside the clutch and lubricating wouldn't resolve anything.

The dealer "greased" the clutch (not sure exactly where) but it didn't solve the noise.

kodyo 09-29-2014 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gonzo (Post 1965032)
Regarding the squeak:

Over the weekend a mechanic told me the noise was from dust inside the clutch and lubricating wouldn't resolve anything.

The dealer "greased" the clutch (not sure exactly where) but it didn't solve the noise.

I can assure you that what I did most definitely eliminated the noise for me since I posted. I've probably shifted a few hundred times since the fix. Obviously 9 days isn't a good indication of long term performance, but I think I'd just reapply the spray if it came back at this point.

sk47 09-30-2014 07:27 AM

Hello; Some decades ago I began the habit of putting a manual shift transmission equipped vehicle in neutral and letting the clutch out (foot all the way off of the clutch pedal)when stopped at lights. This should reduce the wear on the throw-out bearing over time.
My understanding is that when a clutch pedal is pushed in and held during long stops with the trans in gear, the throw-out bearing rotates with the engine and carries some load. With the trans in neutral and the clutch engaged (foot completely off the clutch pedal) the throw-out bearing is no longer carrying a load as it is in the same state as when driving in a gear.

This also can reduce some clutch wear. While sitting at a stop in 1st gear with the clutch disengaged (pushed in) it is possible to still have the clutch disk making light contact with the pressure plate and/or flywheel. This heats up a clutch and causes extra wear.

It is also very hard on a clutch to use it to hold a car on a hill. Use the brake.

For those out of warranty or refused warranty service due to aftermarket options this habit may save some early clutch wear and replacement.

sk47 09-30-2014 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kodyo (Post 1965559)
I can assure you that what I did most definitely eliminated the noise for me since I posted. I've probably shifted a few hundred times since the fix. Obviously 9 days isn't a good indication of long term performance, but I think I'd just reapply the spray if it came back at this point.

Hello; Sounds like a lubricant is being sprayed into a bell housing to lube the moving parts of the clutch linkage. There is a risk of getting the lube onto the clutch disk itself. This can cause the clutch to be very grabby when engaged. I would be prudent applying a lube this way.

If the lube can be put into a boot that is mostly external to the bell housing the risk of clutch contamination may be less.

SportInjected 09-30-2014 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kodyo (Post 1965559)
I can assure you that what I did most definitely eliminated the noise for me since I posted. I've probably shifted a few hundred times since the fix. Obviously 9 days isn't a good indication of long term performance, but I think I'd just reapply the spray if it came back at this point.

Mine seems to be holding up as well. I haven't been back to the track yet, bit I've got a chance to beat on it on a few occasions.

kodyo 09-30-2014 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sk47 (Post 1965881)
Hello; Sounds like a lubricant is being sprayed into a bell housing to lube the moving parts of the clutch linkage. There is a risk of getting the lube onto the clutch disk itself. This can cause the clutch to be very grabby when engaged. I would be prudent applying a lube this way.

If the lube can be put into a boot that is mostly external to the bell housing the risk of clutch contamination may be less.

Good to know, thanks for the tips. I wasn't sure since it's kind of hard to visualize all the parts within the housing. I'll keep this in mind if I ever have to relubricate the assembly.

Here's a thread on replacing the clutch that has some good pictures of what's inside the housing.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25054

sk47 10-02-2014 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kodyo (Post 1966801)
Good to know, thanks for the tips. I wasn't sure since it's kind of hard to visualize all the parts within the housing. I'll keep this in mind if I ever have to relubricate the assembly.

Here's a thread on replacing the clutch that has some good pictures of what's inside the housing.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25054

Hello; I looked at your link. The clutch linkage, pressure plate, throwout bearing, slave cylinder, flywheel and bellhousing seem very similar to what I have worked on in the past. The chance of getting lube onto the disk surface if lube is put inside the bellhousing seems high. I would apply lube only to parts outside the bellhousing.

In the past I have owned manual shift cars with leaky rear main seals. This allowed engine oil to get onto the clutch disk. The clutch was then very grabby and would not engage smoothly. I would gently pull the car against a tree or post with the bumper touching. (This was back in the 1960's when cars had heavy metal bumpers.) I would lightly engage the clutch in first gear for a few seconds. This would cook some of the oil out of the surface of the clutch disk. Slipping the clutch on a hill sort of did the same. For a time the clutch would be ok. There were actual drawbacks and a some potential drawbacks.

The actual drawbacks were that the clutch disk was getting extra wear and all parts got hot. The potential was for glazing of the clutch disk and heat damage to the pressure plate and flywheel. Also a bent bumper was possible.

At some point (when funds were adequate) the clutch was replaced and the old rope seal at the rear of the crankshaft.

kodyo 10-02-2014 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sk47 (Post 1968578)
Hello; I looked at your link. The clutch linkage, pressure plate, throwout bearing, slave cylinder, flywheel and bellhousing seem very similar to what I have worked on in the past. The chance of getting lube onto the disk surface if lube is put inside the bellhousing seems high. I would apply lube only to parts outside the bellhousing.

Good to know. Obviously anyone who attempts this should do so at their own risk. I personally hated the feel of the clutch beforehand, so found the fix worth the risks (I can also get the clutch replaced fairly easily if I needed to).

kodyo 10-05-2014 12:35 PM

After 800 miles (A few hundred shifts probably), I am starting to feel the slight squeak come back. Not as bad as before, but I imagine it may get that way. Just an FYI.

Ninja Edit:
Even though it felt like the squeak was coming back, it seems to have resolved itself. Doesn't feel as buttery as it did after first spray, but it still feels pretty normal good/normal enough for now.

Sigh-on-Rice 10-27-2014 11:10 PM

Does anyone have more updates on this issue?
Mine comes and goes, so I'm hesitating to bring it in.

stevemp5 10-27-2014 11:51 PM

Look at mine! Sounds like a tyrap!.... loll
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UTvOPQVufo&list=UUrhCp2F6bXv8PIyq1Xlz_dA&index=1"]Scion FRS clutch wierd noise - YouTube[/ame]

stratodyne 10-28-2014 09:08 PM

My apologies for not responding to this sooner.

I actually got this taken care of by my local dealer about a month and a half ago. The throwout bearing was completely seizing, and this caused damage to the flywheel, as well as the clutch. The clutch fork was also warped. An entire clutch kit was installed by the dealer, and this remedied the issue.

A coworker of mine with a BRZ also started developing this issue, and it was confirmed to be the same exact issue. Not sure what is up with these components from the factory, maybe they're just out of spec or something? Anyways, he also had a full clutch kit installed and it fixed the issue.

Good luck everyone else!



Quote:

Originally Posted by stratodyne (Post 1846944)
I also noticed that the noise occurred more during hotter weather, or after extended periods of driving. I'd highly recommend driving around for maybe 30 - 45 minutes before dropping your car off, as this allows the transmission components to be heated up fully.

Anyways, I told the tech that reproducing it would need two people, one person fully depressing the clutch, and one person listening with the hood open. I also pointed out that while the hood is open, the noise can be heard coming from where the transmission tunnel mates with the engine, right around the flywheel.


frs83 10-31-2014 07:14 PM

Sqeak Under the Hood`
 
I have had the same issue. Took to the dealer they lubed the slave pivot removed and reinstalled (thats what the service work order says).

It came back again just after 5 days. Took it to a dealer again and they couldn't reproduce it eventhough the noise was there when I left it.

Endemic760FRS 10-31-2014 08:48 PM

My car seems to make the noise only after I drive the car a while then the noise comes. I took it to the dealer and they couldn't reproduce the noise. I then took the car and drove it a while and when it started to make the noise I went straight back to the dealer and a technician went on a test drive with me and heard the noise loud and clear. I had to do this twice with two different techs and then after two days of waiting they say they cant look into it any further because of my after market parts. All I have on the car is a lip kit and a vis racing hood. Thats it. So they want me to take it all off and if the noise continues to happen then I should take it back.

shellslinger 01-31-2015 06:51 PM

My squeaky clutch came back any permanent remedies?

ericmpena 01-31-2015 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shellslinger (Post 2113293)
My squeaky clutch came back any permanent remedies?

Did you take it to the dealership? I had this issue a year ago. I took it into the dealership, they had my car for about 2 weeks, and I haven't had an issue since. I'd let them check it out. It seems like a big job to fix. They had to remove my whole transmission, clean up some stuff, and then put it back in. It didn't need to be replaced.

If you're still under warranty then let them handle it. If they fix it for you in the past then at least their work should still be under warranty, right?

shellslinger 01-31-2015 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericmpena (Post 2113328)
Did you take it to the dealership? I had this issue a year ago. I took it into the dealership, they had my car for about 2 weeks, and I haven't had an issue since. I'd let them check it out. It seems like a big job to fix. They had to remove my whole transmission, clean up some stuff, and then put it back in. It didn't need to be replaced.

If you're still under warranty then let them handle it. If they fix it for you in the past then at least their work should still be under warranty, right?

Yeah I took mine to the dealership last time for the squeaky clutch. They lubed the clutch fork then gave it back to me. The noise went away for approximately 7k miles. It just recently came back, I guess I'll be taking it back tomorrow.

Thanks for the reply.

Neekowahhhh 02-02-2015 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericmpena (Post 2113328)
Did you take it to the dealership? I had this issue a year ago. I took it into the dealership, they had my car for about 2 weeks, and I haven't had an issue since. I'd let them check it out. It seems like a big job to fix. They had to remove my whole transmission, clean up some stuff, and then put it back in. It didn't need to be replaced.



If you're still under warranty then let them handle it. If they fix it for you in the past then at least their work should still be under warranty, right?



Why would they take your whole transmission apart? Unless the squeak is coming from somewhere else, a simple clutch and throttle bearing replacement should have fixed the issue. They shouldn't have had your car for more than 2-3 days depending on how busy thief garage is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shellslinger (Post 2113354)
Yeah I took mine to the dealership last time for the squeaky clutch. They lubed the clutch fork then gave it back to me. The noise went away for approximately 7k miles. It just recently came back, I guess I'll be taking it back tomorrow.



Thanks for the reply.



Tell them to look at your throttle bearing. It's the clutch provider(exedy if I'm correct, that is failing with their product)

SloS14 02-02-2015 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Neekowahhhh (Post 2114850)
Tell them to look at your throttle bearing.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...88918_2774.jpg

Neekowahhhh 02-02-2015 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SloS14 (Post 2114903)


Throttle bearing, thrust bearing, throw out bearing.. Whichever you prefer. I've heard different variations.

ericmpena 02-02-2015 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neekowahhhh (Post 2114850)
Why would they take your whole transmission apart? Unless the squeak is coming from somewhere else, a simple clutch and throttle bearing replacement should have fixed the issue. They shouldn't have had your car for more than 2-3 days depending on how busy thief garage is.





Tell them to look at your throttle bearing. It's the clutch provider(exedy if I'm correct, that is failing with their product)

Eh, I'm not exactly sure what they did or why it took so long, but it's fixed and that's all that matters to me. The noise bothered me so much that once it was fixed I could care less how long they had my car. I'd rather them have my car for a month and fix the issue rather than have it for 2 days and the issue comes back.

Neekowahhhh 02-02-2015 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericmpena (Post 2115132)
Eh, I'm not exactly sure what they did or why it took so long, but it's fixed and that's all that matters to me. The noise bothered me so much that once it was fixed I could care less how long they had my car. I'd rather them have my car for a month and fix the issue rather than have it for 2 days and the issue comes back.


That's understandable and I get it, but a month without my car to diagnose and repair an issue that should have taken less than 5 days, while they have you driving around in a low par rental while still possibly making payments. I feel that is a bit inexcusable and excessive.

Glad your issue has been fixed though. I asked my cousin who works for Toyota corporate if this issue has come across his desk yet(he works in the department where common issues that arise are looked into and solved for example: stuck prius peddle problem) and he said it hasn't been common enough apparently, because he had no idea

shellslinger 02-09-2015 01:50 PM

Well dropped off my frs at the dealership this Saturday. Said it's going to take a week to fix. The service advisor did not give me much info what was going to be replaced. All he said was that there was something wrong with the bell housing? I'm not sure how that would correlate. Anyways, I'll let you guys know what was the issue and what was resolved

ericmpena 02-16-2015 01:02 AM

Soooo, my squeaking came back this evening. I'm at 34,525 miles...and I believe the warranty is up to 36k...so I'm gonna take it in tomorrow and see if the dealership can work some more magic. I'm not sure exactly how long it's been since I had this problem before, but hopefully the still have records of what the issue was. I'd like to avoid the whole, "that sound is normal" routine with them. I'll update when I get more info.

EDIT: My previous posts show my issue started on Feb 14, 2014. I took my car in March 19th and received it back April 1st.
Crazy, my issue is starting again almost exactly 1 year later.
Feb 14, 2014 vs Feb. 15, 2015.

shellslinger 02-16-2015 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericmpena (Post 2133840)
Soooo, my squeaking came back this evening. I'm at 34,525 miles...and I believe the warranty is up to 36k...so I'm gonna take it in tomorrow and see if the dealership can work some more magic. I'm not sure exactly how long it's been since I had this problem before, but hopefully the still have records of what the issue was. I'd like to avoid the whole, "that sound is normal" routine with them. I'll update when I get more info.

EDIT: My previous posts show my issue started on Feb 14, 2014. I took my car in March 19th and received it back April 1st.
Crazy, my issue is starting again almost exactly 1 year later.
Feb 14, 2014 vs Feb. 15, 2015.

What did they do the first time? Did they just lube the clutch fork? They replaced my throw out bearing and front plate cover.

ericmpena 02-16-2015 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shellslinger (Post 2133933)
What did they do the first time? Did they just lube the clutch fork? They replaced my throw out bearing and front plate cover.

I think they might have just lubed it. I remember them saying that nothing needed to be replaced. Maybe it'll be different now since whatever they did before didn't fix it permanently.

Ranatsu 02-17-2015 01:28 PM

My car had this squeaking sound whenever I would push the clutch in, so I began looking under the hood very closely while a friend would push the clutch in. The sound was coming from the slave cylinder. So I pulled the little boot forward towards the clutch forkand noticed that it isn't greased at all in there. I added some moly wheel bearing grease in the boot because thats all I had around then put it back. No more squeaks for me after this.

Koa 02-17-2015 01:31 PM

sounds like a good time to do @Ultramaroon 's slave cylinder DIY! Totally change, for the better, your shifting experience and get rid of this nasty problem all in one go! ;)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2029349

Ultramaroon 02-17-2015 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ranatsu (Post 2135782)
My car had this squeaking sound whenever I would push the clutch in, so I began looking under the hood very closely while a friend would push the clutch in. The sound was coming from the slave cylinder. So I pulled the little boot forward towards the clutch forkand noticed that it isn't greased at all in there. I added some moly wheel bearing grease in the boot because thats all I had around then put it back. No more squeaks for me after this.

It's a hydraulic ram and should not be lubricated that way. Disassemble, clean, inspect, and if not scored, reassemble. The only thing that should touch the inside is brake fluid. Anything else is contamination.

ericmpena 02-19-2015 03:14 AM

Subaru had my car for 7 hours (10am-5pm) and they say that they have fixed the issue. The cause of the squeaking was the throwout bearing. I'm picking up my car in the morning...so I'll let you all know if they actually fixed the issue.

EDIT: Got my car back today. Issue appears to be gone. Throwout bearing was causing the issue.

Guillaume 04-03-2015 05:59 AM

So... this weird squeak appeared out of the blue two days ago. Only does it on decltuching, not on the way back. If anyone wants to weigh in on where it could come from, it'd be much appreciated!

I have done the slave cylinder swap last month, if it's of any relevance.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82FgIT1fk0k"]Bruit embrayage - YouTube[/ame]

Ultramaroon 04-03-2015 06:24 PM

While you film the master cylinder outside, can you have someone else inside with the door closed push the clutch ?

What fluid did you use? Was it damp or raining at all when you changed it?

Readytoxplod 04-04-2015 02:13 PM

Same issue I have, a squeak with resistance/ crunch at the end of pedal travel. This really should be a TSB for replacing the clutch assembly , throwout bearing or whatever is causing this.


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