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1086 01-23-2014 01:33 PM
OpenFlash Tablet off-the-shelf E85 Datalogs on stock car
 
Hi Everyone,

Shiv asked me to create a thread to share my current and future results using the OpenFlash Tablet OTS v1.42 Stage 2 EL E85 map + E85 fuel. He said that, "those logs look as perfect as can be" which was very encouraging and exciting to hear so we wanted to share them with all of you as well. I hope you all find this useful in your E85/power increasing endeavors :D

I will be posting freeway run tonight (1/24) in 4th, 5th ad 6th gears to give you another look at the results in higher gears/RPMs.

Please keep in mind that I had plenty of learning miles (around 200 miles driving) before I took these logs. I point this out because others may expect to see logs like the ones I am presenting just after their flash (with no learning), which will most likely not result the same or close to mine.

According to Shiv,
Quote:
You’re definitely over 190whp. Probably closer to 200whp which is expected for an otherwise stock car.
Details:
  • 2013 FRS, stock, with the exception of a Perrin Inlet tube.
  • Propel brand, E85 Fuel (70% minimum ethanol content as said at the pump).
(Propel Pump Location: 1002 N. 1st Street San Jose, CA 95112)
  • 200 learned miles driven before logs were taken. These logs are post-learned results.
  • I am using the OTS v1.42 Stage 2 E85 map.
Results:
Run 1 - Backroads:
http://datazap.me/u/1086/oft-e85-dat...-backroads-run

Thanks! If you have any questions please let me know.

1086 01-23-2014 01:36 PM
Reserved for future results, logs and hopefully dyno runs

jamesm 01-23-2014 01:45 PM
looks better than any e-tune log i've ever read... and this is an unedited ots map? hats off to @shiv.

Shiv@Openflash 01-23-2014 01:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1473825)
looks better than any e-tune log i've ever read... and this is an unedited ots map? hats off to @shiv.
Yes and thank you. 1086 is running an OTS v1.42 Stage 2 E85 map. All customer cars I've tested ended up seeing similar logs assuming they give the ECU enough learning time. Where they will vary is in LTFT under WOT. The lower the E%, the more negative that will be. If the OP were to mix in a few gallons of 91 (for whatever reason), his AFR under boost would get much richer. But after some brief learning, LTFT would go several deg negative and he would be back to the AFR he sees now.

Cheers
shiv

Danklvr 01-23-2014 02:00 PM
Nice Job Shiv, and all at Vishnu! :clap:

steve99 01-23-2014 07:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1086 (Post 1473783)
Hi Everyone,

Shiv asked me to create a thread to share my current and future results using the OpenFlash Tablet off-the-shelf E85 EL tune + E85 fuel. He said that, "those logs look as perfect as can be" which was very encouraging and exciting to hear so we wanted to share them with all of you as well. I hope you all find this useful in your E85/power increasing endeavors :D

I am will be posting freeway run tonight (1/23) in 4th, 5th ad 6th gears to give you another look at the results in higher gears/RPMs.

Please keep in mind that I had plenty of learning miles (around 200 miles driving) before I took these logs. I point this out because others may expect to see logs like the ones I am presenting just after their flash (with no learning), which will most likely not result the same or close to mine.

According to Shiv, Quote:
You’re definitely over 190whp. Probably closer to 200whp which is expected for an otherwise stock car.
Thanks! If you have any questions please let me know.

Details:
  • 2013 FRS, stock, with the exception of a Perrin Inlet tube.
  • Propel brand, E85 Fuel (70% minimum ethanol content as said at the pump).
(Propel Pump Location: 1002 N. 1st Street San Jose, CA 95112)
  • 200 learned miles driven before logs were taken. These logs are post-learned results.
  • I am using the OTS v1.42 Stage 2 E85 map.
Results:
Run 1 - Backroads:
http://datazap.me/u/1086/oft-e85-dat...-backroads-run

This is a great option for someone like me who would like to keep warantee while increasing power. :thumbup:

If anything happens

Change oil (remove any evidence of E85)
Fill tank with petrol
Flash ROM back to stock
Take car to dealer

Only problem for me is small number of E85 outlets in my area, but it's getting better

Thanks

steve99 01-23-2014 07:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1086 (Post 1473783)
Hi Everyone,

Shiv asked me to create a thread to share my current and future results using the OpenFlash Tablet off-the-shelf E85 EL tune + E85 fuel. He said that, "those logs look as perfect as can be" which was very encouraging and exciting to hear so we wanted to share them with all of you as well. I hope you all find this useful in your E85/power increasing endeavors :D

I am will be posting freeway run tonight (1/23) in 4th, 5th ad 6th gears to give you another look at the results in higher gears/RPMs.

Please keep in mind that I had plenty of learning miles (around 200 miles driving) before I took these logs. I point this out because others may expect to see logs like the ones I am presenting just after their flash (with no learning), which will most likely not result the same or close to mine.

According to Shiv, Quote:
You’re definitely over 190whp. Probably closer to 200whp which is expected for an otherwise stock car.
Thanks! If you have any questions please let me know.

Details:
  • 2013 FRS, stock, with the exception of a Perrin Inlet tube.
  • Propel brand, E85 Fuel (70% minimum ethanol content as said at the pump).
(Propel Pump Location: 1002 N. 1st Street San Jose, CA 95112)
  • 200 learned miles driven before logs were taken. These logs are post-learned results.
  • I am using the OTS v1.42 Stage 2 E85 map.
Results:
Run 1 - Backroads:
http://datazap.me/u/1086/oft-e85-dat...-backroads-run

This is a great option for someone like me who would like to keep warantee while increasing power. :thumbup:

If anything happens

Change oil (remove any evidence of E85)
Fill tank with petrol
Flash ROM back to stock
Take car to dealer

Only problem for me is small number of E85 outlets in my area, but it's getting better

One question at what point do you become concerned at the KC Learned value ? or its duration above a certain level, as I don't have IAM monitoring

Thanks

1086 01-23-2014 07:52 PM
I think a better person to answer that would be @shiv@vishnu or perhaps @jamesm when they gets the chance :D

I am still continuing to learn about all the variables involved with tuning, etc. so I don't want to voice any inaccuracies or ignorance haha.

steve99 01-23-2014 08:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu (Post 1473848)
Yes and thank you. 1086 is running an OTS v1.42 Stage 2 E85 map. All customer cars I've tested ended up seeing similar logs assuming they give the ECU enough learning time. Where they will vary is in LTFT under WOT. The lower the E%, the more negative that will be. If the OP were to mix in a few gallons of 91 (for whatever reason), his AFR under boost would get much richer. But after some brief learning, LTFT would go several deg negative and he would be back to the AFR he sees now.

Cheers
shiv

nice work especially as you can easily revert to "stock ROM & FUEL" for warantee purposes, maybe an oil change just to be sure no traces left :clap:

At what point do you become concerned with the KC Learned value, is the main concern its highest level or its duration above a certain level ??, normally you would look at IAM but don't have it on G ROM

Thanks

jamesm 01-23-2014 08:19 PM
KC learned value should always be whatever the advance value for that load/rpm cell is. so, if you're asking for 4.9deg, it should be 4.9deg. if it's 2.9... you're pulling 2 degrees of timing (probably from flkc, or maybe due to the iam being less than 1).

steve99 01-23-2014 08:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1475036)
KC learned value should always be whatever the advance value for that load/rpm cell is. so, if you're asking for 4.9deg, it should be 4.9deg. if it's 2.9... you're pulling 2 degrees of timing (probably from flkc, or maybe due to the iam being less than 1).
Thanks Jamesm

So I would need to look at the tune tables for the load/rpm and compare with the KC learned if their is a difference then its pulling timing for some reason, what about intake air temp/timing or coolant temp/timing is this independent ??

Whish I had IAM monitoring.

I just put some 100 octane in car and going to compare KC learned with what I got on 98 (Australian) hopefully this may give me an indication if the KC learned is due to knock or noise around 2000-4000 appears all 86/brz get it even stock.

Shiv@Openflash 01-23-2014 08:51 PM
Here's logs from another customer. Also running Stg2 EL E85 v1.42.

Immediately after the flash, it was safe but a little rich:
http://www.datazap.me/u/deanveljkovic/oft-ots-stg2-e85

But after a day of learning, perfect!:
http://www.datazap.me/u/deanveljkovic/e85-day-2

Shiv@Openflash 01-23-2014 08:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 1475073)
Thanks Jamesm

So I would need to look at the tune tables for the load/rpm and compare with the KC learned if their is a difference then its pulling timing for some reason, what about intake air temp/timing or coolant temp/timing is this independent ??

Whish I had IAM monitoring.

I just put some 100 octane in car and going to compare KC learned with what I got on 98 (Australian) hopefully this may give me an indication if the KC learned is due to knock or noise around 2000-4000 appears all 86/brz get it even stock.
IAM monitoring will be coming with next datalogging update. Until then, you can just look at Knock Correction Learned Value. It should rise and fall nice and smoothly at WOT between 2000rpm and 7500rpm. On the E85 maps, it should max out around 6 deg between 4500 and 6000rpm. By 7500rpm, it will be down to around 1.5 deg. I have never seen any knock retard, ever, when running our E85 maps on cars running E85. But it never hurts to look at logs to confirm.

BobbyBlue86 01-27-2014 01:01 AM
Here is my log. Car is stock aside from a K&N drop in...
@shiv@vishnu The car feels great, but that VVT exhaust hump between 3800-4500 is a little unnerving... makes quite a sound!

Let me know what you think!

Running 1.42 stage 2 EL E85

http://datazap.me/u/khallin/log-1-10...data=1-2-5-6-9


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