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-   -   **NEW**Bilstein B8 HD Struts and Shocks Released (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56441)

FT-86 SpeedFactory 01-23-2014 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by fooddude (Post 1473932)

Are these short body, short stroke???? I really really hope so.

And.. price? :)

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Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 1473983)
the gods have answered!

but i am too wondering if their design for a lower spring will hurt their performance on an OEM spring (ie, droop values?),
These are the B8 struts and shocks. These are shortened as they are designed to be used with a lowering spring. Even though these would work with stock springs, I feel this wouldn't be the best fit for these struts and shocks.

Bilstein has also released a B6 strut and shock for our application that is designed to be a heavy duty damper, but will have the same size and stroke as the OEM system. We only got the B6 front struts in and not the rears....so we have not posted photos of those yet. But these are available for people wanting to stay with the stock springs.

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Originally Posted by Clipdat (Post 1474047)
Do these have a smaller diameter strut perch, so I can get the same advantage of a traditional coilover setup and fit a wider wheel?
I need to compare these to some of our OEM suspension that is in storage somewhere....I don't think they will be much smaller if any. Just a guess, though...

Cheers!
-Yo

wparsons 01-23-2014 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Clipdat (Post 1474047)
Do these have a smaller diameter strut perch, so I can get the same advantage of a traditional coilover setup and fit a wider wheel?
Unless you're not going to run OEM diameter springs, you can't make the spring seat any smaller. I highly doubt you'll see anyone make a custom diameter spring, so if you want clearance you're stuck with coilovers.

Clipdat 01-23-2014 03:27 PM
Got it, thanks. :)

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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 1474140)
Unless you're not going to run OEM diameter springs, you can't make the spring seat any smaller. I highly doubt you'll see anyone make a custom diameter spring, so if you want clearance you're stuck with coilovers.

NLSP 01-23-2014 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by FT-86 SpeedFactory (Post 1474104)
These are the B8 struts and shocks. These are shortened as they are designed to be used with a lowering spring. Even though these would work with stock springs, I feel this wouldn't be the best fit for these struts and shocks.

Bilstein has also released a B6 strut and shock for our application that is designed to be a heavy duty damper, but will have the same size and stroke as the OEM system. We only got the B6 front struts in and not the rears....so we have not posted photos of those yet. But these are available for people wanting to stay with the stock springs...

Cheers!
-Yo
That's the answer I'm looking for! I will wait for the B6's, trying to stay within stock class for autocross. Thank you!

7thgear 01-23-2014 03:45 PM
Bilstein HD's, the long lost king has returned.

mid_life_crisis 01-23-2014 03:49 PM
Looking at the relative costs, these don't seem to make much sense unless you already have lowering springs and want to upgrade your struts/shocks, in which case they make a lot of sense.

STV3 01-23-2014 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis (Post 1474232)
Looking at the relative costs, these don't seem to make much sense unless you already have lowering springs and want to upgrade your struts/shocks, in which case they make a lot of sense.
A proper spring and strut > cheap coilovers

mid_life_crisis 01-23-2014 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by STV3 (Post 1474292)
A proper spring and strut > cheap coilovers
Agreed, but when you can buy a set of Bilstein coilovers designed for street use for comparable total cost, why buy Bilstein struts and someone else's springs?

I'm trusting that the reference to pricing in an earlier post is accurate. If it isn't, ignore me.

STV3 01-23-2014 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis (Post 1474305)
Agreed, but when you can buy a set of Bilstein coilovers designed for street use for comparable total cost, why buy Bilstein struts and someone else's springs?

I'm trusting that the reference to pricing in an earlier post is accurate. If it isn't, ignore me.
I guess it comes down to preference??

OrbitalEllipses 01-23-2014 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 2point0 (Post 1473946)
say what?
Grey Tarmac springs. Higher spring rate than Yellows.

FReSh 01-23-2014 04:46 PM
How much lower are we talking? Pro-kit low, or sport-line low? Or doesn't it matter?

1086 01-23-2014 05:00 PM
Am I misunderstanding or missing something on the product page on FT86Speedfactory.com?

Bilstein B8 Front Shocks = $265.99
Bilstein B8 Rear Shocks = $192.99
Bilstein B8 Shocks Complete kit = $915

I don't get it.... If I buy the Front and Rear separately I only pay $459 + tax...but the complete kit is double that? Are there some details missing in the Complete Kit details section like Bilstein springs are included, etc.?

STV3 01-23-2014 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 1086 (Post 1474445)
Am I misunderstanding or missing something on the product page on FT86Speedfactory.com?

Bilstein B8 Front Shocks = $265.99
Bilstein B8 Rear Shocks = $192.99
Bilstein B8 Shocks Complete kit = $915

I don't get it.... If I buy the Front and Rear separately I only pay $459 + tax...but the complete kit is double that? Are there some details missing in the Complete Kit details section like Bilstein springs are included, etc.?
thats per strut i believe

1086 01-23-2014 05:03 PM
Ah, you are correct I just saw the *asterisk* on the product details page after you mentioned that. My apologies for being blind.


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