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utekineir 01-22-2014 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by s2d4 (Post 1468096)
I think it may even be hard for him to openly support a scammer.
Then again, the dude does seem to be a rather special person.

You saying he has aspergers or something?

Ny Brz 01-22-2014 01:11 AM

Great tuners are can be hard to find and even harder for someone who is not familiar with scene. In the beginning when Visconti was pushing out tunes everyone was talking about how great he was "get a Visconti tune" , I had a couple of run ins in the beginning with some local members on my opinion on him and what I personally knew of him, tuning wise. Of course everyone feels they are correct from their own experience or word of mouth, so I decided to just mind my own business. Then the whole big incident happens and people come out the wood work with their issues with. It seems like this is the same thing with Toni, in the beginning everyone was happy with his work but one of his mishaps tuning wise happens and is documented. everyone crucifies him (I'm not disagreeing with anything that has been said) and @nelsmar you are a bigger person than me because if i found out the incorrect methods of tuning had lead to my detonation you can best believe I'll make sure it's resolved one way or another. One thing to ask is how do if who is legit or not tuning wise, anyone can copy what is being done while watching someone tune but how do you know that person truly understand what he or she is doing. I've always wondered has this guy ever taken any classes for what he is doing, I myself am looking into taking the ACP class at EFI University. In terms of hardware I am happy with my FA20club UEL turbo kit thus far but we'll see how it holds up (I know there are numerous people with fitment issues, welds and missing items and can't blame you guys for voicing your frustration). I don't see FA20clubs turbo kit as a direct copy of anyone else, the turbo placement is in the same location as FBM but charge pipes run differently and I'm not sure if FBM is offering UEL headers yet with their kit, so it don't see how this kit would be a knock off. The previous pic that FBM posted Is undeniable of how bad that was of a knock using cheaper materials. As for my experience as of now I'm pleased with my FA20club kit and pleased with my tune from Junior(and yes Toni did try to pitch my the whole free tunes for life).

Hawaiian 01-22-2014 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ny Brz (Post 1469911)
Great tuners are can be hard to find and even harder for someone who is not familiar with scene. In the beginning when Visconti was pushing out tunes everyone was talking about how great he was "get a Visconti tune" , I had a couple of run ins in the beginning with some local members on my opinion on him and what I personally knew of him, tuning wise. Of course everyone feels they are correct from their own experience or word of mouth, so I decided to just mind my own business. Then the whole big incident happens and people come out the wood work with their issues with. It seems like this is the same thing with Toni, in the beginning everyone was happy with his work but one of his mishaps tuning wise happens and is documented. everyone crucifies him (I'm not disagreeing with anything that has been said) and @nelsmar you are a bigger person than me because if i found out the incorrect methods of tuning had lead to my detonation you can best believe I'll make sure it's resolved one way or another. One thing to ask is how do if who is legit or not tuning wise, anyone can copy what is being done while watching someone tune but how do you know that person truly understand what he or she is doing. I've always wondered has this guy ever taken any classes for what he is doing, I myself am looking into taking the ACP class at EFI University. In terms of hardware I am happy with my FA20club UEL turbo kit thus far but we'll see how it holds up (I know there are numerous people with fitment issues, welds and missing items and can't blame you guys for voicing your frustration) , in terms of this platform I don't see a direct copy of any kit. The turbo placement is in the same location as FBM but charge pipes run differently and I'm not sure if FBM is offering UEL headers yet with their kit, so it don't see how this kit would be a knock off. The previous pic that FBM posted Is undeniable of how bad that was of a knock using cheaper materials. As for my experience as of now I'm pleased with my FA20club kit and pleased with my tune from Junior(and yes Toni did try to pitch my the whole free tunes for life).

In that case you will love my post tomorrow.

husker741 01-22-2014 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 1469875)
Most of us do.

Most of us aren't representing our company or name like Visconti does. Most of us stay anonymous.

WKM Houston 01-22-2014 04:41 AM

I've been dealing with Toni for the last 5 months! I already purchased my Vortech supercharger from another individual. After a detailed talk with Toni, he recommended that I change my fuel pump and injectors. It took some growing pains to get these right and Toni was gracious enough to make a video for us!! The first couple files before E85 ran ok but once the fuel pump and injectors were installed it was a little harder to tune. I thought I had issues with the belt slipping and the pulley made out of plastic! So Toni comes to Houston to visit for a dyno day and he dials in my tune perfectly without any issues what so ever!!! He even suggested that I try the smaller pulley 3.12. Best run I had on the bigger pulley was 320whp. So One week later, I received the new pulley and installed it and took the car to get it dyno tuned at Phasetek. In less then 3 runs, Toni had the car dialed in perfectly with no issues what so ever! I'm am very happy with the level of support I've been getting with him and he way over delivered on his promises! Last dyno run was at 346 whp and 246 wtq! Toni was very flexible with his appointments with us as we did the remote tuning and also send him files from the dyno for comparison!!! It is a long tedious process to go thru but the results way exceeded my expectations!!! I hope that he will able to provide quality support to all affected and turn things around....

Ny Brz 01-22-2014 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawaiian (Post 1470117)
In that case you will love my post tomorrow.

Sorry @Hawaiian I'm going to rephrase that as it came out wrong. What I meant to say is I don't see FA20clubs turbo kit as a direct copy of anyone else, mainly FBM since it had been stated he copied that pump in FBMs previous post. If you can find something that states that his Turbo kit is copied from someone else's design on this platform I have no problem in admitting I did not do my research well enough and fault.

King Tut 01-22-2014 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by husker741 (Post 1469045)
Just wondering, why would you be happy with a tune that wasn't great after you paid a price thinking you would be getting the best product possible. It shouldn't be just "good enough."

It comes down to how much effort and time are you and the tuner willing to put into it. I was tired of making logs to try and fix the remaining issues.

King Tut 01-22-2014 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawaiian (Post 1470117)
In that case you will love my post tomorrow.

Tomorrow is here. Where is the post?

Hawaiian 01-22-2014 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1470500)
Tomorrow is here. Where is the post?

Lol, i bartend and was up till 5 am my time. I got my 5 hours of sleep... give me a little bit to get everything together.

nelsmar 01-22-2014 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase Bays (Post 1468883)
This is in no way disagreeing with anything said here. I'm just sharing MY experience just like the original poster did.

I've had a great experience with FA20club. We did a mobile tune on my supercharged setup and it's been amazing. I have given the car HELL. I mean it. I've done six 2-day track days, drifted it...A LOT, and even drove it across the country with zero issues or even the slightest hiccup. That's all.

Was your car tuned in person, did it have an actual wideband or just oem? This has a lot to do with the issue I had with mine. And Toni was great at first but when after a few revisions he got slower and slower and busier and busier.

King Tut 01-22-2014 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawaiian (Post 1470706)
Lol, i bartend and was up till 5 am my time. I got my 5 hours of sleep... give me a little bit to get everything together.

Fair enough. I have a felling I know what is going to be in it, and I await the good time.

OrbitalEllipses 01-22-2014 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by husker741 (Post 1470192)
Most of us aren't representing our company or name like Visconti does. Most of us stay anonymous.

I was being humorous, you're being serious. Social cues, heard of 'em?

cdrazic93 01-22-2014 01:24 PM

These kind if tuning problems are what I worry about when thinking about going to the dark side of engine aspiration...another reason why, if I am going to ever go FI, I'm doing it right. Driving to Minnesota and going to FullBlown's shop personally, even if it's 24 hours from here...

husker741 01-22-2014 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 1470873)
I was being humorous, you're being serious. Social cues, heard of 'em?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sJJDxcXZbX...0/Facepalm.png

jamesm 01-22-2014 04:11 PM

If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself, period. Friends don't let friends drive e-tunes, especially when the damn car doesn't even come with a proper wideband. Anyone who says they can tune your FI car remotely is acknowledging that they're about to perform some half-assed work.

Do it yourself, find a local shop that can, or buy a mustang and get your power that way. How many times does this have to be demonstrated before people get the point?

I've spent countless nights fixing locals e-tunes, and will be fixing another of Toni's tonight. It's not rocket science, just read the f*ckin manual and spend the time. If you can hold a job that affords you an FI 86, you're surely smart enough to grok suck spit bang blow and a few dozen lookup tables. It's not magic. It's not voodoo. It's a well-defined process with accepted best practices and quantifiable results. Brain > wallet.

King Tut 01-22-2014 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1471461)
If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself, period. Friends don't let friends drive e-tunes, especially when the damn car doesn't even come with a proper wideband. Anyone who says they can tune your FI car remotely is acknowledging that they're about to perform some half-assed work.

Do it yourself, find a local shop that can, or buy a mustang and get your power that way. How many times does this have to be demonstrated before people get the point?

I've spent countless nights fixing locals e-tunes, and will be fixing another of Toni's tonight. It's not rocket science, just read the f*ckin manual and spend the time. If you can hold a job that affords you an FI 86, you're surely smart enough to grok suck spit bang blow and a few dozen lookup tables. It's not magic. It's not voodoo. It's a well-defined process with accepted best practices and quantifiable results. Brain > wallet.

Is it wrong that I want to buy another BRZ and get some more forced induction just so I can have @jamesm tune it for me?

jamesm 01-22-2014 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1471554)
Is it wrong that I want to buy another BRZ and get some more forced induction just so I can have @jamesm tune it for me?

do it up... i'd love to :)

Hawaiian 01-22-2014 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1471554)
Is it wrong that I want to buy another BRZ and get some more forced induction just so I can have @jamesm tune it for me?

I here there's a nice red one for sale in florida with a turbo already on it!

jamesm 01-22-2014 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawaiian (Post 1471649)
I here there's a nice red one for sale in florida with a turbo already on it!

...and i happen to be in florida

King Tut 01-22-2014 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawaiian (Post 1471649)
I here there's a nice red one for sale in florida with a turbo already on it!

I don't know why his FR-S with P&L kit hasn't sold yet.

Hawaiian 01-22-2014 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1471678)
I don't know why his FR-S with P&L kit hasn't sold yet.

I can't explain it either. My only guess is it's because he "raced" it autocrossing.

Victor Draken 01-22-2014 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1471461)
If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself, period. Friends don't let friends drive e-tunes, especially when the damn car doesn't even come with a proper wideband. Anyone who says they can tune your FI car remotely is acknowledging that they're about to perform some half-assed work.

Do it yourself, find a local shop that can, or buy a mustang and get your power that way. How many times does this have to be demonstrated before people get the point?

I've spent countless nights fixing locals e-tunes, and will be fixing another of Toni's tonight. It's not rocket science, just read the f*ckin manual and spend the time. If you can hold a job that affords you an FI 86, you're surely smart enough to grok suck spit bang blow and a few dozen lookup tables. It's not magic. It's not voodoo. It's a well-defined process with accepted best practices and quantifiable results. Brain > wallet.

I think some tuners are able to tune an FI 86 remotely but it takes time and money, if they can tune a NA why not a FI?

jamesm 01-22-2014 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor Draken (Post 1471867)
I think some tuners are able to tune an FI 86 remotely but it takes time and money, if they can tune a NA why not a FI?

because with NA you target an AFR that the stock sensor can read accurately. boosted you don't. so... yeah.

really... ask any tuner if they'd recommend an e-tune to a guy that lived down the street. they wouldn't, and there's a reason. it's a compromise.

nelsmar 01-22-2014 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1471891)
because with NA you target an AFR that the stock sensor can read accurately. boosted you don't. so... yeah.

really... ask any tuner if they'd recommend an e-tune to a guy that lived down the street. they wouldn't, and there's a reason. it's a compromise.

And even with a wideband installed its a tedious amount of work to instruct people exactly what to do and how to stop. Or find a way to make the ecu shut down in these scenarios and make sure it works perfect. lol. If it is a kit and enough are done for a really solid basemap and they have a wideband its possible to do but just easier to do in person.

stugray 01-22-2014 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1471461)
It's not rocket science, just read the f*ckin manual and spend the time. If you can hold a job that affords you an FI 86, you're surely smart enough to grok suck spit bang blow and a few dozen lookup tables. It's not magic. It's not voodoo. It's a well-defined process with accepted best practices and quantifiable results. Brain > wallet.

Can you direct me to this "manual" and "well defined process"?

Im honestly curious and have asked before, but I just get the "read the forums" crap answers.

I am really interested in a book that explains the basics of tuning and also would love to get my hands on a factory manual that explains the basics of how the FA20 ECU code works.

jamesm 01-22-2014 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stugray (Post 1472379)
Can you direct me to this "manual" and "well defined process"?

Im honestly curious and have asked before, but I just get the "read the forums" crap answers.

I am really interested in a book that explains the basics of tuning and also would love to get my hands on a factory manual that explains the basics of how the FA20 ECU code works.

Bad noodles guide is a good start. Ecutek's documentation provided with their software is also great and will get you started.

kcam86 01-22-2014 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1472401)
Bad noodles guide is a good start. Ecutek's documentation provided with their software is also great and will get you started.

Thank you for the great tip. I don't intend on tuning my self but for the sake of having a better understanding I'll be reading all of the suggested material.

Noob4Life 01-23-2014 01:10 AM

Yeah I'd never try and tune my car FI without a new wideband. That was one of the first things my tuner checked before doing any changing. I read your whole post and it really makes me glad I went to a local tuner (even if it was his first time tuning an FA20) and not an e-tune. Sorry about your engine man I hope it all works out for you.

Bach415 01-23-2014 04:16 AM

@jamesm Aside from bad noodle's guide, is there any video you would recommend in regards to basic tuning? Reading can only do so much without visuals.

King Tut 01-23-2014 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bach415 (Post 1473049)
@jamesm Aside from bad noodle's guide, is there any video you would recommend in regards to basic tuning? Reading can only do so much without visuals.

The best visual is going to be investing in a Tactrix cable and downloading EcuFlash/RomRaider. Follow the guides as to what to log and how to adjust your MAF scaling.

jamesm 01-23-2014 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bach415 (Post 1473049)
@jamesm Aside from bad noodle's guide, is there any video you would recommend in regards to basic tuning? Reading can only do so much without visuals.

i have a series of screencasts that show the basics, and more coming down the line. search the forum for 'screencast'.

cdrazic93 01-23-2014 01:25 PM

jamesm....

This guy.

Always nice to see others like myself simply interested in how tuning works, yet don't have the time, nor supplies or experience to actually tune a car. Props to you sir :cheers: for helping the community.

Scalzo 01-23-2014 02:15 PM

Wow really sucks for the car and your loss of money :(
Only thing that is worrying me is. I'm going to Florida to get it tuned . because I want it 100% proper.

Yruyur 01-24-2014 03:15 AM

My buddy posted the link to your thread on the gen coupe forum.

Looks like they are well aware of Toni and his ways.

http://www.gencoupe.com/general-disc...lems-tune.html

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hunter3232792 01-24-2014 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Yruyur (Post 1475886)
My buddy posted the link to your thread on the gen coupe forum.

Looks like they are well aware of Toni and his ways.

http://www.gencoupe.com/general-disc...lems-tune.html

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this ones better...http://www.gencoupe.com/general-disc...-fab-worx.html

Andrew025 01-24-2014 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawaiian (Post 1470117)
In that case you will love my post tomorrow.

You're killing me man.

:popcorn:

utekineir 01-24-2014 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by hunter3232792 (Post 1475937)

From the last page

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Google RDA inc. his record is long, including felony chop shop charges back in 06 that I recently found.

Hawaiian 01-24-2014 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew025 (Post 1475943)
You're killing me man.

:popcorn:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56356

nelsmar 01-24-2014 12:54 PM

Seems legit.

sosick 01-24-2014 04:17 PM

Well i read one post about fa20club that was negative but man this is really fucked up. Now i really dont want any of their stuff


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