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nelsmar 01-20-2014 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Swift (Post 1466094)
So I was amazed at the complete lack of knowledge this guy had. I am not even a tuner by any means and a wideband is a must basically. And the whole fuel pump thing and lines etc etc. my god he is an idiot. He is so lucky you don't know the mob cuz he literally would be dead about now.


Thanks for the informative post and this forum's administrators should take proper actions.

I am actually Sicilian. LOL fitting eh?

u/Josh 01-20-2014 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nelsmar (Post 1465615)
...
So I leave you all today as being your public test dummy to test the limits of this engine. I ran my vehicle at 13-15AFR WOT, and 15-17AFR partial throttle for 12,000+ miles with forced induction before my engine failed. I must same I am fairly impressed with the FA20’s handling to poor tuning. Please lets not get this thread deleted this information needs to be available.
...

Oh and I chose 7 days in the title due to the fact I was driving like a normal human being for roughly one to two weeks. Just incase anyone wondered why I chose that title. :)

12,000 miles in 7 days?

nelsmar 01-20-2014 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by u/Josh (Post 1466144)
12,000 miles in 7 days?

Hah. The title is skewed. :P winter blend came in and I decided to see if. I could manage to drive the car economically without stalling etc and it only lasted 1-2 weeks. I did 12k miles in ~4 months.

swift996 01-20-2014 09:25 PM

Sorry to hear (one of the things I fear). What exactly blew on your engine? Do you have more pics of the damage?

raven1231 01-20-2014 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bakerr6 (Post 1466014)
I appreciate all the detail you have taken on this post. i originally had money set aside to purchase one of these kits and was literally a week away when I had some people I spoke with behind the lines in september about their experiences with Toni.

This is why my kit is being built locally. I can tell you I would trust fullblown and really like JDL's design, but I will be staying local for this one lol

Just out of curiosity where locally ? The only shop near us I trust is ipsmotorsports

nelsmar 01-20-2014 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by moto-mike (Post 1466117)
Wow...I had every intention of staying out of this, but I sincerely hope that folks don't take this as typical of "remote tuning."

Lots of us live by our reputation and this kind of scenario is detrimental to everyone. Obviously nothing to be done about it now, but understand that in any business there are all kinds of people, and for the most part the above is quite the exception.

Yeah its sad... Now that I have gotten my feet wet on this platform e-tuning is very capable on this setup. This ecu / engine is very forgiving from what I have seen and its really doable if you sit down and actually test things locally first. The mistake here was the lack of testing on his own local cars and "assuming" something was right. He used a sample map from ecutek and copied from that and hadn't actually tested it in person which was the fault. And that minor overlook cost me quite a bit.

SubaSteve 01-20-2014 11:13 PM

Lol
Found this on the clubintegra forums.

From the optima forums.
"thanks guys for the feedback. i dont dispute the communication issue. thats on me directly cause some days im out back all day and i cant get to the phones. i wish it was within our budget to higher a customer service person but thats not possible at the moment im more looking for another fabricator. but we are and have made improvements and will continue to do so."

THIS IS FROM 2012 so this has been a known issue for wayyyyyy too long.
Definitely the same guy since we all know how Toni types.

Quoted from optima forums aswell.
"I got my intake 2 days ago but can't use it. There is a hole in the weld that goes all the way thru. It took about 12 days to receive it which is fast compared to your experience. They said they would send me a new one. I hope it doesn't take awhile cause I want to install it ASAP.."
Seems familiar to someone elses problem.

Gen coupe forums.
http://www.gencoupe.com/general-disc...-fab-worx.html

Toni's fake account posted in the thread above. Come on noone doesn't use capitalization like toni does........
"i agree toni can bee a little big headed. but when it comes to quality and knowledge of turbo charged vehicles i trust his judgement wholeheartedly. hes worked with me on dyno cost before when will was doing my CMD tuning. now i agree 1000000% with OP original posting. this is unacceptable and extremely unprofessional. but like crooked H said SAM helps out alot with PRWs image understandably with wills job and wifey and rarely gets on here. but when i text him he respondedes and is always willing and able to help me when i have issues or questions. over all tonis cars knowledge in general. and his HUGE HUGE following in the EVO world down here. (south florida) & wills knowledge & assistance. plus sams constant presence and helpfulness here keep me involved with PRW to thee end. regardless of how toni be be kinda douche at times. because when it comes down to it my cars internals and longevity do not care if i yell at them or be rude to them they care how well put together and reliable my parts are."

Porsche forums DAMN TONI YOU GET AROUND.
A guy calls him out for parting out "his car" and he doesn't know where something is located.

He's like a mosquito that sucks a platform dry and then moves on.

Ny Brz 01-20-2014 11:18 PM

Sorry to see this happen to your build, and don't know if anything can be done at this point to repair Toni's rep in the community... Wow...this just seems to be getting worse and worse, i decided to go with @JuniorAWD because he was local and i have known his work for that last couple of years and i like dealing with people face to face.

Vten 01-20-2014 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by raven1231 (Post 1466197)
Just out of curiosity where locally ? The only shop near us I trust is ipsmotorsports

I brought my old car to IPS, for a supercharger install and a tune ....Eric hargett was the tuner . He works for covert tuning right this moment.

Although the service is pretty good, but it took them a whole month to finish the job, and quite frankly I'm not sure if they can do ecutek tuning for our cars ..... Last time I asked , they mentioned using a Cobb for the tuning ....

SubaSteve 01-20-2014 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FullBlown (Post 1465820)

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/45062072.jpg

SubaSteve 01-20-2014 11:31 PM

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/45062200.jpg

SubaSteve 01-20-2014 11:33 PM

I swear I'm almost done.

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tbertran 01-21-2014 12:05 AM

i just heard that toni died in a dodgeball accident & you shouldn't be worried anymore. but i mean seriously you guys, no need to send the lawyers or guido. i agree wholeheartedly 100000% what he did was not nice. but the wifey keeps ringing the damn phone so he can't double check every map. anyway, i hear there's this new super professional tuner in town called EC-YOU-TEK you should totally go there.

slicktop 01-21-2014 12:16 AM

Damnnnnnnn, finally.

He needs to be fucking banned and blacklisted.

SubaSteve 01-21-2014 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by tbertran (Post 1466647)
i just heard that toni died in a dodgeball accident & you shouldn't be worried anymore. but i mean seriously you guys, no need to send the lawyers or guido. i agree wholeheartedly 100000% what he did was not nice. but the wifey keeps ringing the damn phone so he can't double check every map. anyway, i hear there's this new super professional tuner in town called EC-YOU-TEK you should totally go there.

This made me die.

captain_jack 01-21-2014 01:38 AM

Thanks Marin, now I understand our facebook chats all those nights a bit more now. Long read but very informative.

sent from your mom

Gaiseric 01-21-2014 02:01 AM

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Thats a lot of aliases lol... this was on the next page of the Porsche forums posted by @SubaSteve

SirBrass 01-21-2014 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dipstik-sportech (Post 1465947)
Yay for ADD!! Oooooo look a squirrel

The Frozen North

Squirrel? Where.... Oooooo! Shiny object!

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Dan@AWD 01-21-2014 02:42 AM

Seems to me its the owners fault for continuing to drive it knowingly on 14 / 15 afr's. You dynoed the car seeing the reaults of the dyno wideband, but you continued to drive it spriritedly as you stated in your post. Owner blew his own motor.

SirBrass 01-21-2014 02:45 AM

I just hope @FullBlown manages to take him to the cleaners.

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nelsmar 01-21-2014 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan@AWD (Post 1466978)
Seems to me its the owners fault for continuing to drive it knowingly on 14 / 15 afr's. You dynoed the car seeing the reaults of the dyno wideband, but you continued to drive it spriritedly as you stated in your post. Owner blew his own motor.

The car actually blew up I want to say 2-3 weeks after that dyno. After the dyno I attempted to contact the tuner and drive rationally at the same time. I made it a few tanks of gas and the engine blew. I don't recall going on any spirited drives after the dyno was done. I was considering lowering the boost level via a 3.33" pulley at that time as it made more power than I was expecting and I was uncomfortable with the AFR's. I talked to Toni and he said that the tailpipe AFR was skewed and that my fuel trims were nothing to worry about. I did however launch the car screwing around the night it blew up... and sure that was my fault. But I figured I had already done 12,000 miles on this tune at this extreme AFR level and I had just received my new clutch and scheduled to install it 3 days later. I figured I had never tried launching it off the line before and gave it a whirl thinking "well it lasted this long and he keeps saying its fine". That probably wasn't the most rational thing to do. But that 1 launch vs the hundreds if not thousands of redlines I hit during the other 12,000 miles were the real killer. That last 2 second launch was just the nail in the coffin at that point.

Like I said this was the condensed addition. I had a ton of screenshots of maps prepped, dates, emails, screenshots of texts, etc.

NickFRS 01-21-2014 05:32 AM

That really sucks man.... I must say I always had a feeling about this guy and i'll personally never trust E-tunes.

nelsmar 01-21-2014 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NickFRS (Post 1467106)
That really sucks man.... I must say I always had a feeling about this guy and i'll personally never trust E-tunes.

The worse part was this wasn't an etune. I mean it started as one... But I flew him out to tune it!

stevo_12v 01-21-2014 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by woode (Post 1465724)
This is really surprising; I've Toni is such a great guy and FA20Club has such great products.. :bellyroll: Sorry, I couldn't keep a straight face even typing that out.

I'm sorry man.. I dropped off my car today for tune at a local place - I said hell no to remote tunes with Toni.

You know.. I had bought into a EcuTek license from toni via someone in the local 86/BRZ group organising a group buy. I had to get rid of toni's crappy canned tune to flash the car back to stock(so I can run a different tuning software from a LOCAL tuner), and the car actually ran better than the tune I was sent.

raven1231 01-21-2014 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Vten (Post 1466488)
I brought my old car to IPS, for a supercharger install and a tune ....Eric hargett was the tuner . He works for covert tuning right this moment.

Although the service is pretty good, but it took them a whole month to finish the job, and quite frankly I'm not sure if they can do ecutek tuning for our cars ..... Last time I asked , they mentioned using a Cobb for the tuning ....

Yeah they aren't the fastest but I have always been pleased with their work. I have taken my single turbo 3000gt there tuned with emanage ultimate, EVO 8 tuned with oft and 300zx tuned with an AFC neo. All ran perfect. Their turn around time is disappointing though.

stevo_12v 01-21-2014 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaiseric (Post 1466920)
Thats a lot of aliases lol... this was on the next page of the Porsche forums posted by @SubaSteve

Holy shit!! Gotta give the homie props for his hustle though!
Imagine if he was better organised and told the truth.

AG3NT_5CARFAC3 01-21-2014 06:52 AM

I just read your whole post! Holy s***!!! I'm sorry to hear about your car

wrxgoose 01-21-2014 10:15 AM

i feel even better about switching tunes after only one map from him now.

Nelsmar, i'm really sorry you had to go through this, but I am glad that it's someone who could/would post the whole story. Wish it hadn't come to that, and i'm more than willing to bet that toni won't accept responsibility and do what he can to help.

however, i'm now tempted to send you my logs when i have anyone tune my car, so you can verify. :D

utekineir 01-21-2014 10:51 AM

Visconti got banned for what? Arguing in other vendors threads and having people skills of a sheet of sandpaper?


Toni/doyen has a clear documented history of scamming over many years, platforms and names and is still here? Even after clearly shitting on more than a few members (everyone but lexus?)

Maybe he just gives a great handie? Did he at any point offer a handie nelsmar? If so why didn't you take it?

SubaSteve 01-21-2014 11:06 AM

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Would like to see a response about the fabworx thing vs hearing why it's someones fault they blew up their car this time.

SubaSteve 01-21-2014 11:16 AM

@Hachiroku In all seriousness please read and if FA20club = FAB-Worx put a stop to this before it gets worse. Every forum had the same problem where it was ok at the beginning then it was a down hill slope that ended in a ban or him disappearing forever.

Dave-ROR 01-21-2014 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by utekineir (Post 1467390)
Visconti got banned for what? Arguing in other vendors threads and having people skills of a sheet of sandpaper?


Toni/doyen has a clear documented history of scamming over many years, platforms and names and is still here? Even after clearly shitting on more than a few members (everyone but lexus?)

Maybe he just gives a great handie? Did he at any point offer a handie nelsmar? If so why didn't you take it?


Visconti got banned? You'd think I'd know about that but... :shrug:

utekineir 01-21-2014 11:20 AM

He's back? Last I saw he had a banned title. And I hadn't seen any posts from him in awhile

So just a couple suspensions?


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=25


Says banned still.

SubaSteve 01-21-2014 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 1467462)
Visconti got banned? You'd think I'd know about that but... :shrug:

I think it was a temp ban when he made comments in another tuners thread that started a flame war. I'm pretty sure he's still waiting for things to cool down.

Dave-ROR 01-21-2014 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by FullBlown (Post 1465749)
@nelsmar wait.... you mentioned Fab-worx? Same guy from florida that copied our products in 2011? We've been looking for this guy..

Link Below

vvvv

http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/9166...pied-products/

Absolutely no offense intended.. but there aren't that many ways to design a dual pump bracket is there? Quality wise it's obvious which is the winner, I'm just talking about the basic design.

Dave-ROR 01-21-2014 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SubaSteve (Post 1467468)
I think it was a temp ban when he made comments in another tuners thread that started a flame war. I'm pretty sure he's still waiting for things to cool down.

Nope perm banned.

In another FA20Club thread where people said the admins wouldn't ban a paying vendor because the site is profit driven.. I'll just leave this (this is Visconti's ban message):

[Ignored previous warnings against discussing other companies, tunes, services. General unprofessionalism and history of rule violations. Your sponsorship and account are terminated permanently and fees refunded.]

As for JV, I've met him a few times up at AP in Toledo, Ohio.. he's a strange duck but none of the cars he personally touched had issues that I know of, AFRs, etc looked good. I know he's had his issues blowing up cars also though. :shrug: There is a risk with tuning, sometimes bad things happen. Sucks.. but..

SubaSteve 01-21-2014 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 1467490)
Nope perm banned.

In another FA20Club thread where people said the admins wouldn't ban a paying vendor because the site is profit driven.. I'll just leave this (this is Visconti's ban message):

[Ignored previous warnings against discussing other companies, tunes, services. General unprofessionalism and history of rule violations. Your sponsorship and account are terminated permanently and fees refunded.]

As for JV, I've met him a few times up at AP in Toledo, Ohio.. he's a strange duck but none of the cars he personally touched had issues that I know of, AFRs, etc looked good. I know he's had his issues blowing up cars also though. :shrug:

I met him at a meet as well and I could feel a sense of arrogance like he didn't really want to talk to anyone. We are enthusiasts and want to talk when you aren't working!

In all honesty though should we continue to allow a vendor who doesn't tune properly(copying base tunes) and doesn't know how to fix them either to continue doing business here?

I still haven't seen Toni deny he is the same guy from Fab-worx yet and hey maybe if he's banned he might spend more time working on FRS300's car instead of sitting on the forums......

Dave-ROR 01-21-2014 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SubaSteve (Post 1467513)
I met him at a meet as well and I could feel a sense of arrogance like he didn't really want to talk to anyone. We are enthusiasts and want to talk when you aren't working!

In all honesty though should we continue to allow a vendor who doesn't tune properly(copying base tunes) and doesn't know how to fix them either to continue doing business here?

I still haven't seen Toni deny he is the same guy from Fab-worx yet and hey maybe if he's banned he might spend more time working on FRS300's car instead of sitting on the forums......

This is also the only place where FRS300 can affect Toni's livelihood depending on what happens with his car.

I can't say that I've been following FA20Club much, I stopped when I got their intake. I don't know (besides the shit welds in the uppipe thread) exactly what else he has done, what evidence there is that he's scamming people vs just putting out a shit product. Do we try to prevent vendors with shit products or let the free market decide?

Sivtec 01-21-2014 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SubaSteve (Post 1467513)
I still haven't seen Toni deny he is the same guy from Fab-worx yet and hey maybe if he's banned he might spend more time working on FRS300's car instead of sitting on the forums......

Honestly not trying to be a **** here but this had me ROLLING...:bellyroll:

Good and informative Marin. Good to know the whole story. I know you gave much praise to Toni in the beginning trusting him with not only your car but a good majority of the AZ cars as well (including mine). I will be the first one to say, Marin forked over a ton to get this orgainzed and setup. Sucks but I know you will bounce back. And if you don't.... buy an Evo :thumbsup::bonk:

nelsmar 01-21-2014 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 1467490)
Nope perm banned.

In another FA20Club thread where people said the admins wouldn't ban a paying vendor because the site is profit driven.. I'll just leave this (this is Visconti's ban message):

[Ignored previous warnings against discussing other companies, tunes, services. General unprofessionalism and history of rule violations. Your sponsorship and account are terminated permanently and fees refunded.]

As for JV, I've met him a few times up at AP in Toledo, Ohio.. he's a strange duck but none of the cars he personally touched had issues that I know of, AFRs, etc looked good. I know he's had his issues blowing up cars also though. :shrug: There is a risk with tuning, sometimes bad things happen. Sucks.. but..

At least JV has insurance. Toni apparently has.... Car Insurance? I wasn't quite sure how to respond to his comment on the phone. I was telling him I'll even pay the deductible if he had insurance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sivtec (Post 1467537)
Honestly not trying to be a **** here but this had me ROLLING...:bellyroll:

Good and informative Marin. Good to know the whole story. I know you gave much praise to Toni in the beginning trusting him with not only your car but a good majority of the AZ cars as well (including mine). I will be the first one to say, Marin forked over a ton to get this orgainzed and setup. Sucks but I know you will bounce back. And if you don't.... buy an Evo :thumbsup::bonk:

:thumbsup: *shakes head* "Shoulda' bought a mustang" (inside joke).


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