Should we have waited for the STI version?
 

I have already ordered mine, and it's on it's way but now I'm thinking I ordered to soon... Anyone else having second thoughts of not waiting? :iono:

Nope, I won't have a need for any extra power (assuming it's "good enough" like reviews say) so I could care less about power. I was going to get a stang but then thought about how much I miss my Celica and how the stang didn't handle remotely like the Celi. I drive for fun, not speed or track so this car is perfect!

When the STI come you will want to wait for mid model refresh, then you will want to wait for the second generation refresh, etc etc etc

Only live once, get it while you can and if you want to get something else trade it in.

That is a silly attitude to take. As previously mention, there will always be something better just around the corner. If we all waited for that, "something better," what incentive would Suabru have in cranking out an STI version?

Get the car, enjoy the hell out of it, take care of it, and when that better (and more expensive) version comes around you will be very well informed as to whether it is worth it or not.

I can see these cars holding value fairly well, provided they are taken care of. When the STI version comes out, you'll be able to sell this car at a decent price, and step up. That said, you be buying an STI version from a point of knowledge. If you don't like the way the BRZ drives, chances are you won't like the way the STI would drive either. Better to realize that with the cheaper car that can be sold at a relatively higher price due to it being a new market entry with commensurate demand.

Naw man I'm gonna wait for the STITRD VERSION w/ Super TURBO charger pumping out over 600HP/TQ beating out American Muscle in power, handling of Italians & luxury of Germans. And oh yes it's gonna be Limited to only 86 cars.:bonk:

I'll be waiting for it, mainly because I'll be waiting to hop in one of these things anyways. There's always the aftermarket too...

Also remember they said they were planning on making improvements every year (although that might have just been toyota saying that) just like with the nissan gt-r, so there's always going to be something better. But I'm gonna get mine when I can and tune it to how I like it.

THIS^

Also, you can always add on new modifications to increase power and/or look.

Yeah, I see what you mean, minus the sarcasm from s2k lol.
I plan on DDing it and tracking occasionally but all these STI parts in Japan look amazing

thats exactly what I'm waiting for.
I just can't live with torqueless high reving engines.

i am buying one now, and if/when the STi version comes out, i will just sell this one and get the new version. that will make it my 10th subaru.

If the STi version looks like the concept did, I'd pass anyway...not a fan of the carbon fiber hood look - a bit too much for me. Now, if 2-3 years out a more powerful version comes out and it retains the good traits, I'll probably trade it in. But in the meantime, I'm going to enjoy it as is.

I think that process of thought is only justifiable when a newer, better version is imminent.

The spy vids of the camouflaged test car on Nurburgring and the STI concept at Tokyo got me excited; they set certain aesthetic expectations which I was sold on. A bit later the production version was unveiled and fell slightly short of my already set expectations. It was cool and all but I knew if I got it I'd be selling myself short and end up modding it (which usually costs more time/money than having everything factory installed) to look and feel "complete" like the Nur or STI. So I'll go with a more cost effective scenario: wait for the "complete" version (the version that originally sold me) instead of the "letdown."

Exactly. If an STI version shows up I'll consider trading in for it, but more than likely I won't be able to afford it.

Until then, I'm going to enjoy the shit out of this car.

If you like this car, get this car. If you like an upcoming version, sell your lovingly-maintained example to a fellow enthusiast for a fair price and get the new model. No sense holding out if you like what's currently available.

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I think that a lot of Aussies are going to jump on this first one. We were lucky to even get the BRZ. No telling.....The STI may never make it to Australia at this rate.

I'm waiting till next year to purchase. Hopefully there will be at the least some info on a possible STI.

I'm not at all concerned with more power. What STI did with the regular WRX compared to the WRX STI (08+ for example) in the chassis and handling department, is what i'd be looking for. If they do some serious stiffening or refining, etc then I'd be in for an STI. If not, and it's just bolt-ons, then there would be no point to wait IMO.

The STI is ~$8k more than the WRX and nearly twice as much as the base Impreza. An STI version of the BRZ might be cool but it might also be very very expensive. It isn't like they'll be offering the STI version for the same price.

Its best to buy the bRZ now and then trade in for the STI version when the STI version is in its second year. So STI version will come out in 2015 model year, get the 2016 model year BRZ STI.

But if you are like me and rolling in a car that has been paid off for like 4 years already, trade in that car on the BRZ, and then only finance like $21K and then you have equity from day one, you will be able to get the BRZ STI when it first comes out.

The STI version will have the 2.0 liter Turbo motor with about 270HP. Its going to happen, but not till 2015.

:word: exactly this. Honestly I'm not sure the BRZ STI will be worth it, but either way it's still a few years out. So buying the BRZ now will give you better options in a few years once the whole market has figured itself out. There are lots of other cars coming out in a few years that look pretty interesting, but there's no way I'm going to wait that long the buy a new car. BRZ will tide me over until then.

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Also in 2015 there will be some other cars...A next generation Z, a possible Supra, and maybe even a 2.0 liter turbo flat 4 porsche...

The next generation Z will be lighter and maybe less expensive than the current one. You never know Nissan might get some balls and bring back the Silvia. Also Honda might grow some balls and bring back the prelude and the integra......hopefully RWD.

If that could only be officially quoted by them I'd then wait to see whats good.

Something better is always coming out, why wait.

I'm not worried about it. Aside from the CF hood and roof which I doubt would make it on the production car anyway, it looks like everything will be available a la carte through STi.

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The BRZ is as good as it gets right now...plus the price will only go up next year.

Nope.

This. It's like buying a computer or cell phone, only not as bad. Besides, you can always trade the car up if a better one comes out; Subaru dealers would love to have a Certified Used BRZ to offer for sale ;)

Plus STI version will be even more, I wouldn't be surprised if it cost $35K to start.

I'm probably going to wait for the STI as my 2nd "fun" car after I've worked a few years. Until then, stickshift Audi A3 or BMW 1/3 series daily driver here I come.

But there is a lot that separates the two, particularly the much more complicated drivetrain. Sure, the differences in the engine, upgraded suspension and exterior enhancements (all of which will likely be what separates a BRZ from an STI-ish counterpart) account for some of it, but likely not as much as what the DCCT accounts for, so I don't think that the price difference between the WRX and STI will be an accurate gauge in this situation.

But that's not to say that I think it will only be a couple thousand, but again, it really depends on how much hardware separates them. But my guess will be $4,000-5,000.

As much as I want to see the STI version in mass production, I really do wonder what the point of it is. A BRZ STI is in competition sales wise with a WRX STI, they are more or less the same consumer, and Subaru would be cannibalizing their own market. Yes, there are the differences in Drivetrain, coupe-sedan,etc, but Economically these are the same type of consumers.

Performance wise I really would like to drive/see an STI version as I am just as curious with how more power will affect the handling of the car. But then again, Subaru and Toyota's main marketing points seem to be the "Well balance" of the car. So wouldn't adding more HP be contradictory to their selling points?

They are in the same price category, but that alone doesn't mean that they're going to compete to the point where they will cannibalize the other car's sales. Sure, it gives people other options for the same amount of money, but it's unlikely to sway enough buyers. There was a comparison or two between the Nissan GT-R and the BMW M5, both of which differ in terms of bodystyle and powertrain, but both are unusually similar... 500+ hp, twin-turbo V-configurations, curb weights approaching two tons, price tag right around $100,000. While I'm sure that they don't ignore each other, I'm certain that BMW isn't too worried about the GT-R or vice versa. Porsche is a different story though. You could say the same thing about comparing an Evo to a Mustang GT with any option(s).

Not exactly. It's not like Toyota/Scion/Subaru will just throw in a more powerful engine and leave the rest of the car alone -- it would be upgraded accordingly. That being said, several reviews have stated that the car is well-balanced as-is, but they feel that the chassis can safely handle more power.

Don't really get this line of reasoning. Either way that potential buyer would still be purchasing a Subaru so the profit still goes to Fuji Heavy Industries. I don't think they really care if the money came from a WRX STi sale or a BRZ STi sale. Plus the BRZ STi has the potential to bring in other customers who would not normally look at a Subaru because they wanted a 2 door sports car. Not everyone wants a high performance sedan/wagon despite their utility. Some people just want their performance vehicle to look like a sexy sports coupe.

There are only a small amount of consumers interested in cars with WRX STi type of performance. By only sticking with the 4/5 door WRX STi Subaru limits itself to a small percentage of those potential customers. By offering a 2 door RWD variant Subaru increases the amount of potential buyers and thus takes a larger portion of that small pie. Those customers who decide to buy either a BRZ STi over the WRX STi or vice versa don't really matter because the sale is still captured by Subaru.

That's all assuming price levels and profit margins for both vehicles would be the same of course. But right now the price of a standard BRZ is in line with the WRX so I assume the same would hold true for an STi version.

I can understand wanting to wait. There have been several times I've waited on a purchase, technology or otherwise, because something was coming out. The naysayers said "If you always wait you'll never have anything." That's true. But the difference is that I had a concrete time on when the new stuff would arrive, so I was surely buying something when that time came, be it old or new. Right now a production STI version is supposedly coming, but that's all we know about it. It could be several years from now.

I'd be hesitant if I knew finalized details of the vehicle, and it would arrive in six months to a year, but with no date on the horizon I'd take what I could get right now.

Don't waste any time waiting and wondering 'what if.' There will always be the next best thing, and a plane could fall out of the sky and land on your head tomorrow. When the car no longer brings you any joy, sell it and move to something that you believe will. Tastes and preferences are constantly changing. In a few years when the STI version arrives, these cars may be the furthest thing from your mind.
If you have the means, do it now and enjoy the *#@$ out of it! :burnrubber:

The only reason why I personally would jump on it would be if I really needed (or at least really, really wanted) to replace my vehicle now, or if my heart was really set on it while not waiting for or anticipating a major update. If you have any serious thoughts about the STI version (meaning that you definitely want that power level and have the money for it but maybe not the money to buy one now and then take the hit for selling/trading it for a new one), then just wait for it.

Screw it, I am going to get a black BRZ 6 speed manual Limited...before Xmas or early in 2013....maybe the VIP discounts will kick in by then...I just can't stand the cost cutting in the Scion FR-S.