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OrbitalEllipses 12-29-2013 02:17 AM

I believe we'll have issues with the turbo where it's mounted and the IC...after having to re-do those, your choice of FI kit may be cheaper. We'll see once the 2015 WRX hits the ground and n00bs start wrecking them.

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Originally Posted by WiebTech Performance (Post 1416948)
I'm very curious what Subaru is going to do to combat the carbon build up on the back of the valves that comes from only having direct injectors. BMW and GM are already having lots of issues with this.

Air/oil separator.

Calum 12-29-2013 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WiebTech Performance (Post 1417170)
As an aftermarket solution maybe, but a catch can would never come stock.

While an air/oil separator isn't common they do exist in factory cars. Hell, the 95 neon came with one.

As for the fa20dit, this has been discussed ad nauseum. IIRC, the rods and crank are the same. The pistons are hypereutectic, not forged, and don't have the proper crown shape for our spray pattern. The block has the starter on the wrong side and the turbo manifold won't fit as it will interfer with the body on our cars.

What I haven't seen covered yet is the differences in head flow, the valve train, and how the newer combustion chamber will do with knock resistance.

xjohnx 12-29-2013 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Calum (Post 1417447)
While an air/oil separator isn't common they do exist in factory cars. Hell, the 95 neon came with one.

Exactly. Anyone who thinks Subaru hasn't considered this may not be paying enough attention.

Source: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...DN/20120080015

The Racers Line 12-29-2013 01:10 PM

Awesome stuff. I wasn't doubting they would find a solution, just curious what it would be. Kinda cool to have a group of internet Sherlock Holmes's at your disposal.

PrimeMotoring 12-29-2013 04:12 PM

I would like to get a close up look of the size of the DI injectors on the wrx engine. it would be nice if they fit the fa20 for FI applications as they most likely are larger. Audi/VW 2.0t FSI guys upgrade their stock injectors to S3 or RS4 direct injectors when going larger turbo. Maybe coupled with the WRX HPFP as well we can see some interesting results when tuned properly with the already available port injectors.

WHITE 12-29-2013 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PrimeMotoring (Post 1417903)
I would like to get a close up look of the size of the DI injectors on the wrx engine. it would be nice if they fit the fa20 for FI applications as they most likely are larger. Audi/VW 2.0t FSI guys upgrade their stock injectors to S3 or RS4 direct injectors when going larger turbo. Maybe coupled with the WRX HPFP as well we can see some interesting results when tuned properly with the already available port injectors.

Well if this is true:
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Originally Posted by Calum (Post 1417447)
As for the fa20dit, this has been discussed ad nauseum. IIRC, the rods and crank are the same. The pistons are hypereutectic, not forged, and don't have the proper crown shape for our spray pattern. The block has the starter on the wrong side and the turbo manifold won't fit as it will interfer with the body on our cars.

...Then likely the direct injectors from the wrx would not work with our piston bowls becuase of the difference in spray pattern. But who really knows untill someone gets their hands on one to play with.

D K 12-29-2013 04:24 PM

Does anyone know the rod length and compression height of the new engine?

Calum 12-29-2013 09:08 PM

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47004

xwd 12-30-2013 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by hmong337 (Post 1417059)
Another reason why I think it wasn't Subaru ditching the d4s but rather Toyota wanting to keep that technology firmly in their grasp. Toyota's a business and one of the most successful in history. I can't see them handing over all their d4s tech that they took years to develop to a partner/competitor that never had any DI tech prior who can potentially use it for their own interests.

Subaru started developing DI tech a long time ago, but it was never meant to be used in a NA application. They first used DI in a turbo diesel engine in 2011. The FA20DIT was being developed before the 86 FA20. It was used in the JDM Legacy in like May 2012.

WHITE 12-30-2013 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dwx (Post 1418641)
Subaru started developing DI tech a long time ago, but it was never meant to be used in a NA application. They first used DI in a turbo diesel engine in 2011. The FA20DIT was being developed before the 86 FA20. It was used in the JDM Legacy in like May 2012.

Correct me if im wrong but wasnt the ee20 turbo diesel unveiled in like 2007-2008?

OrbitalEllipses 12-30-2013 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by WiebTech Performance (Post 1417659)
Awesome stuff. I wasn't doubting they would find a solution, just curious what it would be. Kinda cool to have a group of internet Sherlock Holmes's at your disposal.

NASIOC does most of my sleuthing for me. That patent for the AOS design has been known for ~2 years or so.

Calum 12-30-2013 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dwx (Post 1418641)
Subaru started developing DI tech a long time ago, but it was never meant to be used in a NA application. They first used DI in a turbo diesel engine in 2011. The FA20DIT was being developed before the 86 FA20. It was used in the JDM Legacy in like May 2012.

Has there ever been a diesel engine that didn't use direct injection?

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WHITE 12-30-2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Calum (Post 1419052)
Has there ever been a diesel engine that didn't use direct injection?

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Actually, let me introduce you to the IDI. Indirect injection diesel. Found most comonly in the old ford 7.3l non powerstroke.

Jameson86 07-26-2020 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The Racers Line (Post 1417170)
As an aftermarket solution maybe, but a catch can would never come stock.

It seems like it has come standard on the fa20dit...


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