Pokesupra? Gotta catch 'em all?

You need one of each Mark. Not just the 4+.

Can't wait to see a 700 horsepower tuned version run a 12 in the quarter. :D

Eh, plenty of Japanese cars get a lot of activity. Just because the UAW is big in Detroit doesn't mean auto enthusiasts and buyers who visit are all domestic people. The FRS and BRZ had plenty of activity two years ago. Zero activity this year, I think I saw one person looking at the SWP BRZ they had on the floor. I don't think I even looked at Scion to see what was going on there.

I took a few pics of the FT1. I need to upload the NAIAS pics I took this year.. but I'm lazy. Maybe one day :)

As for the C7, I like it. I need to drive one still but interior and comp seats are the best that's even been OEM/OEM Optional in a corvette. If they drive anywhere near as good as many people say, I'd have no issues buying one. It probably won't have DI seal failures on track either ;)

Q: What's the difference between a 400whp Supra and an 800whp Supra?

A: About 3 10ths.


Heh...

Drive train facts are wrong for sure, Toyota said that this car would feature a conventional gas engine and not a hybrid. Furthermore a car like this is going to weigh a minimum of 1500kg, a 2.0T won't cut it. With that engine the Supra would hardly be faster than the 86!

Difference is that 800whp is useless in every day life, 400whp is about the max. And even that without traction control for rainy days is too much.

Two years to enjoy the twins before its even potentially released. I'm cool with that.

The fact that the 2nd Gen is going to be completely different worries me. I like this car but if you make the 2nd gen much better with none of the issues we are having now what is the incentive to keep this generation.

well lets not forget that we have the sub 86 car coming. its suppose to be smaller, more light weight and cheaper (under $20k) than the FRS.

also a 2nd gen could be years away. the car has just been on the market for less than two years.

The 2nd gen could be worse as well. Especially since the chief engineers attention will be split.

Where did Tada san say the 2nd gen GT86 will be totally different from the current model?

Interesting thanks. When Drive says "it could be a radically different car", I wonder if they just mean the rumored hybrid powerplant or they mean a radically different chassis as well. The article and the quotes only really discuss the engine, so I would guess that's what they're talking about, but it's hard to say if they mean to include the chassis as well in that statement.

Can't wait for the buy a 2014 or wait for the second gen threads...

Because it's great little car?

I disagree wholeheartedly. As long as you're not on slicks, Supras are great in rain, even with 800hp.

I'm hoping that the MKV will be the same! Easy to make gobs of power, and easy to drive!

The only high WHP supra I've been in had enough turbo lag that it felt docile at low RPMs and/or light throttle. So I'd agree that you can control the big power. I had to say outside of the thrill of the HP it was an absolutely horrible street car though.

Hybrid?


No care.

Oh, they're great street cars. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that a well sorted APU Supra is a better street car than an FRS! It's more comfortable, it's got less rattles, it's quieter, it's much better on the highway, it's certainly as fun to drive on backroads.

That being said, "well sorted APU" means less than 600whp on a small, quick spooling turbo. And of course some decent tires.

Regardless, the MKV is likely going to be significantly more refined than the MKIV. And assuming that it will be capable of similar horsepower numbers, it could certainly be an evolution of the MKIV, which is what everyone is craving.

I agree with Dave about the big power cars. My buddy's 700whp (GT42??) street trim is stupid on the street. And he's only been full kill including spray >1000whp maybe 5 days (some dynos and a 9 second pass). So it's basically the shitty driveability of big turbo with less power. Seems kinda dumb to be a street car.

But a setup maxed out a 600whp and built to rev would probably be a good compromise.

Okay but that quote is not directly from Tada nor is it 100% etched in stone. "Hinted", "potentially", and even "concept" leaves a lot of room for interpretation.

I am sure the successor will be different, but that is to be expected. How much different is the real question, and we have not even seen a mid-cycle refresh yet so this is many years away.

Exactly, "radically different" to a design engineer may be only be "slightly different" to the rest of us.

To a person like Tada, changing out the 2.0L boxer for a 2.5L inline would make the 86 a "radically different" car. Often they speak of driving dynamics. Cars could look identical but throw another 40hp at it or modify the suspension settings and "on track" you have a "radically different" car.

He is being deliberately vague on purpose.

lol, isn't this supposed to be an FT-1 thread? :bonk::bonk:

+1 I agree

I really love the direction that Toyota is heading in, unlike Nissan that is handicapping its future by suspending all development of any engine larger than a 1.6! They should really develop their own engine's again and stop mooching off Mercedes.

But back to Toyota, their sports offering should look like this in 2017

- 1.5 FR Levin
- 2.0 FR 86
- 2.0 Turbo 86 Sedan aka new Chaser
- BMW/Toyota sports
- Supra

- Lexus RC
- Lexus LC
- Lexus LFA2

I know what BPU is but have actually never seen the term APU, so while I can deduce the actual meaning of the acronym, that will be thrown out the window and I'll just go ahead and decide that it means "AWESOME POWER UPGRADE!!!!!!!!!1!"

Well, nobody has any idea what to post now because it was posted in the FRS General forum and has nothing to do with the FRS.

THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!

I have to agree with this. My Supra was a great straight line car but in the twisties it handled very much like my Mustang GT. Hopefully, the new car will be better balanced and lighter than the 80s and 90s models.

Although, I guess it really does not matter much to me. I am never going to own one because I would never drop as much money as they are going to want for it on a car again. I am sooo over that.

Meh, just wanted to take a free jab at domestic crazies that troll around every now and again, lol.

No, but you'll have other issues (like frying your iPhone and god knows what else remains to be seen). This is assuming the so called '24-hour test' they do actually irons out the kinks they've had on the track in the past.

If they would have used the same DIs they use for Lexus, there wouldn't be any DI seal failures.

This is the thing. Does Toyota really appreciate that people want a Supra because it could take more power than anything out there? Will whatever power plant they release be robust enough to meet or exceed the expectations that people have from the mkIV and GTR crowd? It needs to be bulletproof and respond well to basic mods. That's the inherent character people want preserved I'd imagine. This power plant needs to be BEAST.

hmm, mine handles pretty well on the twisties and even better in the straights, mustang is not even close..

I was specifically talking about the one I was in, which had close to 50% more power than that.

If Toyota would have tuned the ECU correctly there wouldn't be any seal failures :)

Yeah I actually hate the values of Supras being so inflated because they can make stupid power. It's a car I wouldn't mind for a daily driver if the values weren't so high.

Accelerated Performance does have a junkyard of nice MKIV's sitting in their back lot. Would make many fanboys cry I bet.

The sweet spot for HP for me on the street in any reasonable sized/mid weight car is around 400-450HP. Beyond that and it becomes a bit silly. Hell even that is a bit silly. Most drivers can't control it (including myself I'm sure) hence all the dumb driver aids on all these cars.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :thumbsup:

They could put camry steering in it, that alone would be reason enough.

New generations are not always better.

yes but it gives us clues on what to expect.

Oh I agree. But the ability to do so based on superb engineering is awesome. Plus even if you don't tap that potential, the benefit is a reliable bulletproof motor. I miss the days when Toyota made beast motors. It would be nice to have that back in a performance vehicle. I had an old Corolla as my first car and that thing had a forged crank, oil squirters and a windage tray. The old Previa was mid engined, flat-4 horizontally mounted (not boxer) and had brake ducts for cooling. I mean wtf Toyota accountants? This is Supra, so don't mess about! :paddle:

I was totally teasing! All in good fun. :cheers:

That is true! Who knows if Toyota is even able to develop such a car on its own.