Which car would you get?
 

2013 Raven with 4,500 miles. Scion Certified, AUTOCHECK CERTIFIED for $21,700
http://www.timshortdodge.com/certifi...f1073a8a9e.htm
or
2013 Raven with 15,000 miles. NOT certified. for $20,000
Both cars have the exact the same features.
Its probably a dumb question, im sure everyone would go for the certified. But just seeing what you guys say.

Both cars are in different states. Im not exactly sure how certified works. it has 7 year warranty but factory warranty is 6 years anyways? I do realize that it went through scion inspection, which is good

I'd go with the lower mileage car, walk into the dealership on Dec. 31st hopefully during a snowstorm and offer $18,000 to start.

I've been talking to many dealers for the past month, I never got any of them to lower below 20,000 (not certified one). I have already talked that dealer down from 22,159. They would not accept my offer of 21,000 but settled for 21, 700. Do you really think I can find a certified FRS with that low mileage for under 21,000? I am looking for Raven and manual, so it makes it a bit harder

ask them for fog lights to add.

They'll come around when you email them the links below.

Here are all FR-S's for sale today on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...6001&_from=R40

Here are what recent ones actually sold for:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Cars-Trucks-...H_Sold=1&rt=nc

If the dealer doesn't wake up, buy a leftover 2013 new for not much more using Toyota.com inventory search then fly and drive home.

You might consider trying to find a local (for both places) FR-S/BRZ owner (try the local forum sites) and ask him/her to drop by and check them out for you.

humfrz

I'd go with the certified one.

I got my new 2013 with 10 miles on it for 22,800 and that was with the LED's and trunk mat. Raven M/T so I'd go that way.

Certified.

Its a dodge dealership. Do you think they will be able to do that? Here is the link to the car
http://www.timshortdodge.com/certifi...f1073a8a9e.htm

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i will still go with certified

I would go with the certified one, but not because it is certified, but because it is the one with the lowest mileage and the longest remaining warranty. If the "certified" was reversed, I'd still buy the same car.

Unfortunately I realized that the certified is an Automatic. It stated "6 speed". in the pictures it shows automatic. I will not be getting it.
However i will continue looking for a lower miles MT Raven in the midwest

2013 Raven with 4,500 miles


no question good luck

if someone offered me $1700 to put over 10k additional miles on my car, I would slap the shit out of them

Ugh that one even has the crappy head unit:thumbdown:

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Definitely go for the lower mileage.

This guy is in my area. No affiliation.

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/4198298006.html

I know you're not local but if you're interested, I'd go check it out for you.

Why not go for NEW for a few thousand dollars more. I paid just over 25K for mine 12 months ago. I'll bet you could get a MY2013 leftover for less than 25K.

Certified low milage. It will pay for itself in the end.

Lower mileage, hasn't even had the chance to screw up the oil change yet.

Certified low mileage...

neither a new one never buy a sports car used

I still don't understand how a dodge dealer can certify a scion....

The dealer appears to be using an aftermarket insurance company, Autocheck and then writing an ad that is vague at best, intentionally misleading at worst.

I'd understand their claim of "Scion Certified Pre-Owned" if they were also a Toyota dealership, but they aren't.

I agree with @Frstorm. Spend the extra few grand and buy your car new. You never know how the car was treated. If I did not get the deal through TMMK and the new college grad discount. I would have bought the BRZ limited for the extra goodies. So, I do understand why you would go used. Yet in hindsight, I would have got the BRZ limited if I was to do it over again. Now I would be throwing thousands away if I were to sell my FRS to get a BRZ limited. Just some food for thought. Good luck.

For just a little more you can get a brand new one, IMHO it's a no brainer.

Personally, even if a car only has 1,000 miles on it, it would have to be at least $4k-5k below what a new one is currently going for me to even consider it...

I would spend a few more Benjamin's and get a new one. The FRS is meant to be driven hard and put away wet. It's a sports car. I would assume any used FRS has been pushed to its limits... certified or not.

Reni has a point... Most (if not all) new vehicles depreciate immediately after it is bought and driven off the lot...

It's not really a no-brainer, depending on how you look at it...

They do, but not 16% or so as @reni suggests for 1,000 miles on it. Maybe up to 5% but that would even be stretching it.

Bottom line is that the car still has basically its full warranty on it and is a discount. 1,000 miles is nothing, I'd take the discount anytime unless there was obvious abuse.

Then again, I buy used (up to 100,000 mile) cars all the time, and have never owned a car that I put less than 150,000 miles on so I may not be the best person to listen to! (My last two DD went over 250,000 miles)

Mileage isn't always the best tell...I've seen low mileage cars that clearly were never washed or the PO failed at trying to install mods correctly. Not to mention, you don't know if something is original to the low mileage car, for instance they could have swapped wheels with a friend who has 30k miles and those tires need replacing, or maybe they were learning to drive stick. For being so close to the price of a new one, are you REALLY saving that much? Plus if you buy new, most of the times your insurance will be cheaper because of a "new car" discount for something like the first 3 years, so factor that in too, ask your agent to quote you on new and used. If we were talking about the depreciation drop of a 5 year old Vette or Porsche, even certain pick-ups, then yeah it makes so much sense to look for used, but I just don't see it here.

Be patient and wait until after Xmas.

If the dealer still has the certified on the lot offer $20k flat.

They will take it.

If you cant get it for 20k then walk and wait to find another.

Right now dealer has slight upper hand since they maybe feel like they will get someone wanting a Xmas present and will bite before the 25th. After the 25th time is running out before EOY and they pay taxes for it sitting there. They will be willing to knock more off the price just to cover the lost tax cost on it.

I once did that with a brand new Ford Ranger. Walked onto the lot December 28 and offered 9.5K for a truck with a sticker of 15.9K. They told me no and I told them you have 15 of the exact same configuration on your lot and good luck.
They sold me the truck for 9.9K. Best deal I ever made. Nothing down and a payment of less than $200 per month!

Yeah i probably wouldn't buy from someone who listed it as a 5 speed manual. lol

Lower mileage alone would make it worth it to me, the certified just adds to it. Always can attempt to get it lower as well

That's probably why he's selling it. He probably thought it was slow and was getting bad gas mileage. Lol.:burnrubber:

I didn't even catch that. Maybe he thinks the car also has a V4.

Perhaps in strictly numeric terms, 1,000 miles is almost the same as a new car, and from a dealer's perspective, they might think it should be priced as such.

But out here in the real world, it might make a big difference depending on how the car was treated in those first few miles. Additionally I can say from experience it will also make a difference when I try to sell the car... a one-owner car I have owned since it rolled off the truck definitely gets better responses vs something with a dubious history.

So yeah, even with very low miles, there is some risk to me to get a used car vs new, and unless I'm properly compensated for that risk, I'll walk away every time.

5 speed manual

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