2014 86CUP presented by Winmax, rules and schedule
 

***These rules are based around Buttonwillow 13CW, which is a purpose built testing track in California, that equally rewards balance, power, mechanical grip, and aero grip. 1 point is roughly analogous with 1 second at Buttonwillow 13CW. Multiple cars and drivers were used to compile data, from which this list is derived. ***

**If you believe a value to be incorrect, please provide evidence to back up your claims**

*2:05 is the assumed time for a 100% stock car with just 140+TW tires, brake pads, and camber bolts to be equipped*

2014 86CUP presented by Winmax Challenge Rules

Rules spreadsheet by @retrosmiths: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...EE&usp=sharing

MODIFICATIONS

Power, Engine, and Drivetrain
□ 0.00 - OEM, unmodified FA20 with ALL factory parts
□ 0.25 - Any aftermarket intake system or modification to OEM intake
□ 0.125 - Any aftermarket header or turbo manifold/downpipe with a catalytic converter
□ 0.25 - Any aftermarket header or turbo manifold/downpipe without a catalytic converter
□ 0.125 - High-flow catalytic converter front/mid-pipe
□ 0.25 - catless front/mid-pipe
□ 0.00 - Cat-back or axle-back exhaust
□ 1.00 - Internal engine modifications (head, cams, etc.)
□ 2.50 - Any Forced Induction (e.g. AVO, Greddy, Jackson Racing, Innovate, Kraftwerks, Vortech); must take separate penalties for ECU, and header as applicable
□ 0.25 - Aftermarket ECU and/or ECU reflash
□ 0.50 - E85 tune
□ 1.00 - Aftermarket axles
□ 1.00 - Aftermarket transmission
□ 0.25 - Non-OEM LSD
□ 0.00 - Non-OEM Final Drive

Wheel and Tires
□ -2.00 - Any street tire TW 320+
□ -1.00 - Any street tire TW 220-300
□ 0.00 - Any street tire: TW 140-200
□ 1.25 - Level 1 R-compound tire : NT01, RA1, R888, A048, RC1
□ 2.50 - Level 2 R-compound tire: R6, V700, R1, TD
□ 4.00 - Level 3 R-compound tire: V710, A6, C91
□ 0.00 - 215 width tires
□ 0.25 - 225 width tires
□ 0.50 - 235 width tires
□ 0.75 - 245 width tires
□ 1.00 - 255+ width tires
□ 0.00 - OEM wheels
□ 0.00 - Wheel spacers
□ 0.125 - 5-7.5" width aftermarket wheels
□ 0.25 - 8" width aftermarket wheels
□ 0.375 - 8.5" width aftermarket wheels
□ 0.5 - 9" width aftermarket wheels
□ 0.625 - 9.5" width aftermarket wheels
□ 0.75 - 10+" width aftermarket wheels

Aerodynamics
□ 0.25 - Level 1 Front Aero: aftermarket front bumper or any aftermarket lip (must not have splitter built-in)
□ 0.50 - Level 2 Front Aero: full front aero package (anything more than a simple lip or bumper; can include any spats and canards)
□ 0.125 - Canard Set (each set L/R, if not combined with L2 Front Aero)
□ 0.125 - Spats only (each set L/R, if not combined with L2 Front Aero)
□ 0.25 - Level 1 Rear Aero: rear diffuser
□ 0.50 - Level 2 Rear Aero: full underbody tray with diffuser
□ 0.125 - Vented hood
□ 0.125 - Vented fender and/or wide fenders
□ 0.125 - Aftermarket or modified/cut rear bumper
□ 0.125 - Vortex generators
□ 0.25 - Aftermarket rear spoiler (e.g. 5-axis, integrated duckbill in trunk)
□ 1.00 - Level 1 Wing: APR GTC-200 (all versions), Voltex 1S wing or smaller, 245mm stands maximum
□ 1.50 - Level 2 Wing: Any adjustable wing bigger than APR GTC-200/Voltex 1S
□ 0.125 - APR 2.5” Riser (applies only to APR GTC-200)
□ 0.125 - 275mm stands (applies to Voltex 1S only)
□ 0.125 - Gurney Flap (applies to Level 1 Wing only)

Suspension
□ 0.00 - Any OEM BRZ or FRS suspension
□ 0.50 - Aftermarket springs with OEM shocks
□ 1.00 - Aftermarket springs with any off the shelf non-adjustable shock
□ 1.50 - Any aftermarket damper with any aftermarket spring, or any coilover suspension
□ 0.50 - Any altered suspension mounting points, including offset mounts offset spring perches

Free Modifications
- any in-cabin safety equipment
- any brake pads
- any lightweight parts that do not also enhance performance by improving power, aerodynamics, handling, etc.*
- any interior removal as long as it does not compromise safety*
- any alignment, camber bolt, camber kit, bump steer kit, tie rod end, roll center adjuster, and camber plate.
- any bolt-on chassis braces
- updating or backdating OEM parts
- aftermarket steering wheel: only if R/H/S are installed for driver (otherwise prohibited)
- passenger airbag removal: only if passenger seat is removed, or R/H/S are installed for passenger (otherwise prohibited)
- aftermarket brake systems, brake ducts
- any OEM or aftermarket sway bars
- any spacer on aftermarket wheels
- OEM rear spoiler
- aftermarket flywheel, clutch, pressure-plate
- any aftermarket intake filter (filter element ONLY, any piping replacement is an intake)
- upgraded valve-springs and retainers
- oil-catch can, oil baffle pan
- any battery


* If you are unsure whether your modification violates these rules, please ask for clarification. If you are found to be in violation after the fact, you will be disqualified from the event.

Absolutely Prohibited
- nitrous oxide systems
- removal of vital safety equipment such as bumper beams, roll-hoops or airbags without R/H/S, etc.

86CUP CLASSES

Stock Class - 0.5 points maximum
The purpose of this class is to keep costs down and be attractive to a newcomer with a stock or minimally modified FRS or BRZ. Drivers of all experience levels are welcome. Tires are restricted to TW 140+ and no larger than 225 width.

Certain modifications are not allowed in Stock class:
- No Level 2 Front Aero
- No Level 1+ Rear Aero
- No Level 1+ Rear Wing
- No light-weight aftermarket parts, no aftermarket body panels, or any interior removal (unless necessary for safety equipment).
- No forced induction

Street Class - 3.5 points maximum
The purpose of this class is to allow moderate modifications to a primarily street-driven car. Drivers/owners are allowed flexibility to choose different modifications, while being exposed to an even playing field. 2850 minimum weight with driver and FULL tank of gas

Modified – 6.5 points maximum
Modified cars are expected to have a myriad of dedicated performance modifications. Cars in this class will typically either have a large amount of power and/or are easily identifiable as a track driven car. 2750 minimum weight with driver and FULL tank of gas.

Super Modified - 10 points maximum
Minimum weight for Super Modified Class is 2700 pounds with driver. Who knows what you may see in this class...

2014 86CUP Board Members:
@CSG Mike @mav1178 @ImperiousRex

WEIGHING

Rules
Each class has a minimum weight: at any point during the day, a competitor with driver inside must meet that minimum weight. If and when a competitor is found to be below minimum weight, he will be penalized 1 second for every 25 pounds he is under the minimum weight. If this is the competitor’s first violation, the first 25 pounds will be allowed as leeway (for possible scale-to-scale variation), but he will be penalized for any further discrepancy. Also, if this is the first violation, he may choose to forfeit all laptimes he has accrued until the weighing process, add back weight to his car to meet minimum weight, and re-start new timed laps instead of taking a lap-time penalty. Any repeat violations will automatically incur the lap time plenty as outlined above.

Weighing Protocol
One competitor from each group (Street and Modified) will be selected at random to be weighed at any time during the day. The probability of being weighed is directly proportional to the number of points he has accrued throughout the season (for example, this is equivalent to adding one’s name in a hat once for every point he scores, then drawing from that hat at random). That means top drivers have the highest likelihood of being weighed, and drivers who have yet to score points will never be weighed.

Weighing Logistics
Two drivers from each class may volunteer or will be randomly selected to participate in the weighing process. Only drivers from a different class may weigh one class (to create impartiality). For example, if a Stock class participant is being weighed, only the two drivers from Street and two drivers from Modified may assist in the weighing process. All who participate in the S2KC implicitly agree to help with the weighing process if called upon, barring any extenuating circumstances.

PROTEST PROTOCOL
A competitor may also be spot-weighed if two peers (or at least half of the participants of that day, whichever is less) from the same class believe the competitor to be in violation of minimum weight. That competitor will be liable to be weighed on the spot. In addition, if a competitor suspects another is underrepresenting his points, he may bring his concern to a member of the 86CUP board immediately, so that a board member can audit the car at that point, and compare the setup to that declared on the signup sheet. If a participant fails the audit, he can choose to: 1) correct the violation and forfeit all a previous laps and redo timed laps for any remaining sessions; or 2) take a 1 second penalty for every 0.25 points he is over the limit.

Prizes
Prizes at individual events for each class will be awarded regardless of number of competitors in the class.
Year-end prize winners need to have participated in atleast 6 events.

Sponsors:

Title Sponsor:
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Stock class sponsor:
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Street class sponsor:
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Mod class sponsor:

Supermod class sponsor:


Other sponsors:
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@BeltedBiscuit @ImperiousRex @D1cker @createluck @robispec

I'm looking for feedback from you guys.


Also, any volunteers to be board members for 2014?


Proposed schedule: Best 9 of 12 events count

01/18/2014 Streets of Willow CW Saturday
02/16/2014 Big Willow Sunday
02/22/2014 Buttonwillow Raceway 13CW Saturday
04/05/2014 Chuckwalla Raceway CW Saturday
05/10/2014 Streets of Willow CW Saturday
06/22/2014 Big Willow Sunday
07/26/2014 Streets of Willow (Twilight) CCW Saturday
08/30/2014 Buttonwillow Raceway 13 CW Saturday
09/20/2014 Autoclub Speedway (Infield Road Course) Saturday (SubieFest)
10/25/2014 Chuckwalla Raceway CCW Saturday
11/22/2014 Autoclub Speedway (Roval) Saturday
12/13/2014 Streets of Willow CCW Saturday

SoWS CW x2
SoWS CCW x2
WSIR x2
BW 13CW x2
CVR CW x1
CVR CCW x1
ACS Infield X1
ACS Roval x1

Scoring:

1st - 10 points
2nd - 7 points
3rd - 5 points
4th - 4 points
5th - 3 points
6th - 2 points
7th+ - 1 point

Level 1 R-compound tires allowed in street class seems to be too much? just in my opinion tho =/

It would allow for a car to come with, for example:
255 NT01 on 17x9 RPF1 = 2.75 points

Do you think it would be faster than a Greddy Turbo car on 215 RS3 on 17x8 rims? = 3.5 points

Or, would it be faster than a car on Tein SRCs, 225 RS3 on 17x9 wheels, intake, header, exhaust, tune, and lip? = 3.5 points

The beauty of this system is that it allows for a TON of flexibility with mods, while equalizing the playing field. I've put a pretty good amount of thought into the system.

Zero?

What about these?

- Close-ratio gear set
- 100 Octane tune

I see, just thought kinda unfair if people just have wider wheel and tires since its already in street class, but anyway good job on the event, will try to attend more next year! =)

people with wider wheels and tires generally have lower springs or coilovers, and intake, exhaust, and some other mods too...

Naturally, not everyone will have a maxed out car for the class they fall into. It's up to the competitor in how much they want to spend to be the most competitive they can be within their class.

The CSG BRZ will just be in whatever class it falls into. It won't be build to "max out" any class.

@ImperiousRex, coincidentally, has a maxed out Mod class car as it sits now... which is great because his car is a perfect example of what a Mod class car can be.

Gears are free. :)

Rules look good to start, and you will learn fast by complaint level about what does not work.

At the risk of sounding very egotistic, I reserve the right to refute claims by asking that a given setup be proven too fast/too slow by either myself, maxrev, chris willard, renzo marsano, or matt andrews.

If someone is claiming a part is overvalued, but they're running under the baseline time of 2:05... well... :D

Excellent rules draft. Seems to provide each driver with a class equal to purpose of car. Personally, I have wanted to keep my car street drive able with some key track minded upgrades. Using these rules, I would be allowed level 1 R compound tires and be maxed out for Street class with 3.5 points. The rules also force smaller drivers to add weight to stay legal or larger drivers to remove weight and stay in class. Great work evening the playing field, in each class.

I approve of the new rules as well! While the 2013 rules were nice for a beginning season, there was quite a lot of wiggle room that created some harder situations for newer folks coming in to deal with vs. some of the veterans. Hopefully with the new rules we'll get to see how a few different set ups pan out and it will give all of us more data and information on more optimal track setups. Excited!

If anyone has issues with the new rules, you should come out to the track and prove Mike wrong! Or just come out anyways, because the more the merrier! ;)

question: is it possible that we may have an 86 cup in the east coast area? I know many people who would love to race the ft86 in its own class but california is too far away.

You guys are more than welcome to use the ruleset, or modify it as you see fit for your own series!

I'd love to see a nationwide series with a "regional" championship and a "national" championship, but that would require the rules to be equal across the board.

If you do use the rules, please give credit for the ruleset! We may also be interested in sponsoring your local series if you can round up a regular group that shows up to the events ;)

breaking rules #1 and #2 i see,

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Bizzump for more feedback.

So as I sit my car is a -.75 stock class car with my only mod being Hankook V12's with a TW of 280 and a tread size of 225.

Stock class king... sounds like Ryan! Maybe you two should co-drive the FRS this year... we need more competitors :)

Or, maybe you should co-drive his S2k, cuz S2kC needs more competitors too.

Or both...

I'm assuming big brake kits fall into the "free modification" section, but just making sure.

Also: altered suspension mounting points, does that include adjustable arms?

Lastly: what qualifications are you looking for in regards to board members?

-alex

And as it stands, my car is a 2.25 with my Ohlins + 17x8" RE30s + 235 RT615Rs.

Maybe time to put "better" stock tires on stock wheels and get some points back to run in stock class.

Fun.

-alex

Brakes, including BBKs, are free mods. I do realize that a lightweight BBK can increase performance, but the primary purpose for most of our drivers is to reduce long term cost, and a reduction in long term cost results in more attendence. This was a compromise that I had to make. Additionally, larger BBKs would actually hurt performance, although I doubt we'd see an example of this.

Adjustable arms are not altered mounting points. Using something that alters or moves where the suspension is bolted onto the car (whether through an adapter or through rewelding) are considered alter mounting points.

Thinks I'd like...
- record of regularly attending track events
- working rudimentary of knowledge of cars and mods (just enough to answer basic questions)
- ability to attend most of the 2014 events
- willingness to try to grow event attendence. The more the merrier!

Of course, other considerations will be made, and not everyone needs everything. We want a varied board!

I'm deploying in late Feb. and I'll be gone until July :-) I'll see if the wife lets me go to Big Willow on the 16th of Feb.

Please welcome @mav1178 and @ImperiousRex to being board members! We still need a few more volunteers :)

Additional update.

We've negotiated season entry deals for all 86CUP drivers for 2014!

Any 6 events of the 12 events in the season for $750
Any 9 events of the 12 events in the season for $950
All 12 events in the season for $1100

This includes ANY venue, including the Auto Club Speedway events, which normally goes for $200 per day!

However, unused events are not refundable, so only purchase what you're planning to use...

I like the rules Mike. I think for a car specific series, a points system seems to work the best. I say try em out for a couple of events and if something is really off, tweak it accordingly but as a rule set goes, it looks like it'll work.

Just for clarification, the gurney flap only applies to level one wings, so if one were added on the oem spoiler it would not add points? And also an oem brz spoiler is free if mounted on an frs (i hope?)

That would be correct.

hmmm i should join in on the fun here soon

who is your sanctioning body? Or is this self ran? Is it a time attack-time trial format or is it wheel to wheel racing? What is the minimum weight off track with driver?

86 cup is a brilliant idea....but there are SO many vendors making so many different products it will be hard to pin down a specific set of approved parts to define a 86cup class that is similar to Spec E30 or Spec Miata currently the two largest "inexpensive" race series.....both are sponsored by NASA and SCCA nationally....

My thoughts are keep it STOCK STOCK STOCK....why, stock is reliable and reliable is CHEAP....simple wheel tire combo is 225 with an easily available tire (toyo offers great deals) brake pad-fluid-line upgrades only...simple shock-spring set with ajdustable sway bars so drivers can tune the car to their liking....engine totally stock with just a cat bypass and race style exhaust that can make sound even at Laguna style 92db tracks.... I would say NO aero allowed, to even things out and keep it cost effective... In wheel to wheel spec series you want it about the drivers, not who has the largest checkbook....

The biggest challenge will be defining the rule set.....since many people are building their own "track" cars with a million different parts combos so many pre built cars are gonna be pissed that theirs doesn't fit.... Another great idea to minimize costs is a reasonable dyno limit.....it seems most cars dyno at most 170whp near stock....use this or whatever is reasonable to keep full blueprint built to the limit engines from having an advantage....

You take delivery of your car yet?

This mean you're giving up on S2kC? :bellyroll:

We are the sanctioning body. This is purely community driven. It's a time-attack series, with most events being run as a "fast time of the day sessions 2-3 or 2-4" format. If we get enough participants, we'll be able to get our own time-attack session, where only that session counts, and we only have our group on track.

Points are assigned on a "no budget restriction" basis. They're not perfect, but the assumption is made that a top-of-the-line off-the-shelf, readily available part will be used. There's no way to account for one-offs, and it's really meant for the weekend warrior, not guys looking for glory.

Stock is NOT reliable. Not with this car. However, if you want to run in a minimal cost, minimal mod class, well, that's why we got the STOCK class.

Dynos are variable. Unless we have one shop EVERYONE has to go to, it's not going to happen.



You're looking at this with too much of a SCCA/NASA perspective. We don't want identical cars. The whole point of the point system is to have a lot of different cars that are roughly comparable to each other on track.

no car yet :cry: I don't even have time for s2kc with my schedule now lol

I'm in!

Sounds Fun!

I want to see the Scud!

I like the rules. Very comprehensive, but they will be a hell of a bitch to enforce. That is why I like the old set of rules, particularly for stock class.

With the old rules just check tires, make sure there is no headers, aero, weight reduction, or dampers. Boom, stock class. Simple and takes less than 2 minutes to confirm. As with the Over class... you have FI? Boom, Over class. With your new set of rules, you're going to be checking each component, adding up the points. Some of the allowed mods are difficult to confirm, such as fuel and tune.

Don't get me wrong, the rules look good, but is going to take a lot of work to enforce. My offer still stands to help out when I'm at the events.

Also, if you want to set up rules this way it would help to make the rules somewhat congruent with Redline or Global Time Attack rules, so if the 86 Cup driver wants to venture into other competitions they are still 100% compatible and competitive within their respective classes.

PS. I'd also like to see a 1 to 1.5 pts for stock class under these rules instead of .5 pts allowed. :D

I think we should try this out via trial runs at the next meet.

Have a few printed checklists and see how much time is needed to spec a car within a class.
@CSG Mike @ImperiousRex what do you guys think? Irvine meet?

-alex

That would be fun. Host an Irvine meet and I'll be there. Maybe Mike will actually let me drive the CSG BRZ for once. LMAO!

Sounds good to me! Just let me know which day you want to go (preferably at least a day beforehand).


:paddle: <- CSG David next time he sees CSG Mike lol

Kind of makes me wonder who the boss is....

Supposedly Mike is "just the driver"... hmm.

-alex