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choi0706 03-18-2014 11:34 AM

where do we wire up the flex fuel sensor for your tunes?

TemeCal 03-19-2014 11:13 PM

@DeliciousTuning -
Any idea when we'll get the updated tune? I submitted a ticket back on the 12th (separate issue) and requested the new update on the 15th. I'm hoping to install it this weekend, in preparation for a track day. Just want to make sure it's all running fine before my event.

DeliciousTuning 03-23-2014 08:27 PM

Hi All,

Sorry for the delay, I have the hardest time keeping up and currently only seem to have time on weekends right now.

I am sending out updates today. So if you are interested email me and I will get it out to you, while trying to play catch up.

Also the version is 8.51 now, small updates were made for an even smoother power delivery.

Cheers,
William Knose

DeliciousTuning 03-24-2014 01:19 PM

A few updates went out yesterday and more going out today.

Cheers,
William Knose

Deadspool 03-24-2014 01:26 PM

Bill!

What does one need to do to run a water/meth kit on a FBM base kit with a 50 trim and 91 oct and a 50/50 mix? I have your SD tune on the KA map sensor.

1010110 03-25-2014 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning (Post 1621961)
A few updates went out yesterday and more going out today.

Cheers,
William Knose


Please don't forget those of us who aren't able to file a ticket.

DeliciousTuning 03-25-2014 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadspool (Post 1621980)
Bill!

What does one need to do to run a water/meth kit on a FBM base kit with a 50 trim and 91 oct and a 50/50 mix? I have your SD tune on the KA map sensor.

Remove the water/meth and keep running without it. ;) I do not tune on water/meth for power anymore, as I just have not seen any systems to be reliable enough for consistent flow. I have plenty of customers on here that have tried and they will all agree. Most of the systems can not measure very smallest changes in flow(smaller measurements than what can be measured by the systems).

So with that in mind I will tune your car of whatever pump fuel you have and then press it to make it very aggressive on that fuel. From there you can add the meth/water kit in as a safety measure. This was the original intention of water/meth kits and how I like to see them used. As an extra safety measure and not be used a an additional tuning system. So make sure to use the smallest jet you can just to add enough mix to increase the octane rating without making it too rich.

Cheers,
William Knose

DeliciousTuning 03-25-2014 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1010110 (Post 1624615)
Please don't forget those of us who aren't able to file a ticket.

Sorry I have the hardest time remembering people's names and dongle ID's based on usernames on here. If you could email me (again if need be) and I will get the updates out to you also.

I did send about 15 updates out last night and a few the night before, with more to come over the next few days.

Cheers,
William Knose

SmsAlSuwaidi 03-25-2014 12:53 PM

Talked to my builder, and he told me my car is with bill at the moment; as he requested to have it for a while to make it right :D


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Deadspool 03-25-2014 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning (Post 1624705)
Remove the water/meth and keep running without it. ;) I do not tune on water/meth for power anymore, as I just have not seen any systems to be reliable enough for consistent flow. I have plenty of customers on here that have tried and they will all agree. Most of the systems can not measure very smallest changes in flow(smaller measurements than what can be measured by the systems).

So with that in mind I will tune your car of whatever pump fuel you have and then press it to make it very aggressive on that fuel. From there you can add the meth/water kit in as a safety measure. This was the original intention of water/meth kits and how I like to see them used. As an extra safety measure and not be used a an additional tuning system. So make sure to use the smallest jet you can just to add enough mix to increase the octane rating without making it too rich.

Cheers,
William Knose


Fair enough! Thanks for taking the time to respond. I will use the kit as a safety measure, unfortunately I am restricted by 91 octane fuel.

Is it possible to squeeze out a bit more power on the SD FBM tune I currently have? I feel when I get much past 8 psi, it feels creepy.. hard to explain but the feeling of the acceleration is not comfortable at 10 psi as opposed to 8 or even 8.5.

1010110 03-25-2014 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning (Post 1624709)
Sorry I have the hardest time remembering people's names and dongle ID's based on usernames on here. If you could email me (again if need be) and I will get the updates out to you also.



I did send about 15 updates out last night and a few the night before, with more to come over the next few days.



Cheers,

William Knose


Email sent. Thanks Bill!

sw20kosh 03-25-2014 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadspool (Post 1624721)
Fair enough! Thanks for taking the time to respond. I will use the kit as a safety measure, unfortunately I am restricted by 91 octane fuel.

Is it possible to squeeze out a bit more power on the SD FBM tune I currently have? I feel when I get much past 8 psi, it feels creepy.. hard to explain but the feeling of the acceleration is not comfortable at 10 psi as opposed to 8 or even 8.5.

Yeah I am one of the people who he is talking about. The W/M system was a headache and a half. No way will I ever touch W/M again.

I now use torco (which Bill actually tunes for) to increase my octane rating. You can buy a case of 6 cans (quarts) on amazon.com for $124 or Mann Engineering in San Jose CA sells them too. A few track addicts use the stuff religiously at events to keep things safer out there in the heat.

http://torcoracefuel.net/2-docs/acce...lend-chart.gif

From the chart you can select your fuel tank size on the left and then select what octane you want your fuel to be on the top and then you can determine how much torco you need to add.

91 octane - 225 hp
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/54...0/822/7gr7.jpg

1 32 oz can of Torco - 239 hp
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/54...0/856/svwb.jpg

Deadspool 03-25-2014 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 1624804)
Yeah I am one of the people who he is talking about. The W/M system was a headache and a half. No way will I ever touch W/M again.

I now use torco (which Bill actually tunes for) to increase my octane rating. You can buy a case of 6 cans (quarts) on amazon.com for $124 or Mann Engineering in San Jose CA sells them too. A few track addicts use the stuff religiously at events to keep things safer out there in the heat.

http://torcoracefuel.net/2-docs/acce...lend-chart.gif

From the chart you can select your fuel tank size on the left and then select what octane you want your fuel to be on the top and then you can determine how much torco you need to add.

91 octane - 225 hp
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/54...0/822/7gr7.jpg

1 32 oz can of Torco - 239 hp
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/54...0/856/svwb.jpg



What are the particulars of your kit?

I found your build thread, but there is no information on what you're using.

Thanks!

sw20kosh 03-25-2014 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadspool (Post 1625273)
What are the particulars of your kit?

I found your build thread, but there is no information on what you're using.

Thanks!

Those Dyno's were my Innovate Twin Screw 70 mm pulley non intercooled which I no longer have.

DeliciousTuning 04-23-2014 01:35 AM

We are now offering our new "Flash and Go" maps for all your forced induction FRS/BRZ/GT86/86 owners out there. We have been hard at work implementing a complete solution for anyone with a forced induction kit. This tune will work on the following kit and more than likely will work on your own custom turbo kit, as long as you follow our guidelines for installation.

FLASH and GO - Forced Induction Reflash (Speed Density Based): (91,92,93, 94 octane, 95,98 RON, E85 and FlexFuel) NEW Version 10.59
- Three Switchable boost maps available through cruise control
- Delicious Tuning Boost Solenoid Controller Required (switchable boost maps)
- Delicious Tuning 11 or 26 PSI MAP Sensor Required
- 100% True Speed Density Tuning using EcuTeK RaceROM 7
- Flash and GO Setup and Tune Details Here
Supported Turbo Kits (recommend base spring pressure between 5-10 PSI)
- AVO - All Turbo Kit Variations
- Crawford - All Turbo Kit Variations
- Full Blown Motorsports - All Turbo Kit Variations
- FA20 Club - All Turbo Kits Variations
- Greddy - All Turbo Kit Variations
- JDL Auto Design - All Turbo Kit Variations
- MA Performance - All Turbo Kit Variations
- P&L Motorsports - All Turbo Kit Variations
- PTuning - All Turbo Kit Variations
- Speed by Design - All Turbo Kit Variations
- Your Own Custom Turbo Kit

Supported Supercharger Kits
- Innovate Motorsports (not included)
- HKS Supercharger Kit
- Jackson Racing Supercharger Kit
- Kraftwerks Supercharger Kit
- Vortech Supercharger Kit
Delicious Tuning - Unique Custom Mapping Notes:

1. Use of stock direct injectors and port injectors on E85 up to ~375 whp or 11 pounds of boost.
2. Remove all signs of shift knock or throttle blip knock for boosted vehicles
3. Add switchable boost maps through the cruise control (including boost cut)
4. Added FlexFuel into all the above maps, including switchable boost maps

mit_peid 04-23-2014 02:46 AM

So this is almost like a one size fits all type of a tune?

xjohnx 04-23-2014 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 1624804)

I now use torco (which Bill actually tunes for) to increase my octane rating. You can buy a case of 6 cans (quarts) on amazon.com for $124 or Mann Engineering in San Jose CA sells them too. A few track addicts use the stuff religiously at events to keep things safer out there in the heat.

any benefit (or detriment) to using Torco for those running E85? My gut says at best there won't be any noted difference, at worse, it reacts badly with the e85 and makes a mess out of my fuel system. Then again, my gut is often wrong.

*LongFella 04-23-2014 11:22 AM

Delicious Tuning - Q&A EcuTeK ProECU Tuning and Maps
 
Wow... I was just thinking about re-doing my tune for my Jackson racing SC Kit and allow for E85... Hmmmm

Has this tune been tested on each kit listed?

Deadspool 04-23-2014 11:27 AM

This is interesting.

protpibe 04-24-2014 02:48 PM

This is awesome. I'll order as soon as it's ready to ship!

Dustin 04-26-2014 01:21 AM

@DeliciousTuning

I should be receiving your tune tomorrow, 4/26/14, for the Innovate supercharger Stg 2 on 93 octane and will hopefully have everything installed by next weekend if not tomorrow. Anyways I can never leave sh*t well enough alone and even though I know your tune works really well and you are constantly working to keep improving it, I plan on changing my setup a bit and would like if you could look at things for me to see if it makes much of a difference. I plan on using a Honda MAP sensor and running a GM IAT sensor post blower. Here are a few pics of what I've had done so far with the help of my brother.

Removed material restricting access to the intake manifold runner.

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/q...AE2124DA85.jpg

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/q...60BB1E8883.jpg

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/q...AAEE82780F.jpg


Honda MAP sensor

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/q...560A8AB7FD.jpg


MAP sensor and IAT plate my brother designed.

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/q...71D8A6B682.jpg


Would this be something you'd be willing to take a look at once I have everything up and running?

whataboutbob 04-26-2014 02:56 AM

Bump. Bill can you get me the latest tune when you have a chance please? :bow::thanks::respekt:

Deadspool 04-26-2014 12:07 PM

Me too!

michael_king 04-28-2014 11:49 PM

Delicious Tuning - Q&A EcuTeK ProECU Tuning and Maps
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning (Post 1691460)
We are now offering our new "Flash and Go" maps for all your forced induction FRS/BRZ/GT86/86 owners out there. We have been hard at work implementing a complete solution for anyone with a forced induction kit. This tune will work on the following kit and more than likely will work on your own custom turbo kit, as long as you follow our guidelines for installation.



FLASH and GO - Forced Induction Reflash (Speed Density Based): (91,92,93, 94 octane, 95,98 RON, E85 and FlexFuel) NEW Version 10.59

- Three Switchable boost maps available through cruise control

- Delicious Tuning Boost Solenoid Controller Required (switchable boost maps)

- Delicious Tuning 11 or 26 PSI MAP Sensor Required

- 100% True Speed Density Tuning using EcuTeK RaceROM 7

- Flash and GO Setup and Tune Details Here


Supported Turbo Kits (recommend base spring pressure between 5-10 PSI)

- AVO - All Turbo Kit Variations

- Crawford - All Turbo Kit Variations

- Full Blown Motorsports - All Turbo Kit Variations

- FA20 Club - All Turbo Kits Variations

- Greddy - All Turbo Kit Variations

- JDL Auto Design - All Turbo Kit Variations

- MA Performance - All Turbo Kit Variations

- P&L Motorsports - All Turbo Kit Variations

- PTuning - All Turbo Kit Variations

- Speed by Design - All Turbo Kit Variations

- Your Own Custom Turbo Kit



Supported Supercharger Kits

- Innovate Motorsports (not included)

- HKS Supercharger Kit

- Jackson Racing Supercharger Kit

- Kraftwerks Supercharger Kit

- Vortech Supercharger Kit


Delicious Tuning - Unique Custom Mapping Notes:



1. Use of stock direct injectors and port injectors on E85 up to ~375 whp or 11 pounds of boost.

2. Remove all signs of shift knock or throttle blip knock for boosted vehicles

3. Add switchable boost maps through the cruise control (including boost cut)

4. Added FlexFuel into all the above maps, including switchable boost maps



Will this work with a mixture of e85 and pump gas or only with one or another?


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Zach3794 04-29-2014 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michael_king (Post 1703623)
Will this work with a mixture of e85 and pump gas or only with one or another?


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It would be different maps for 91, E85 and Flexfuel. 91 and E85 are always separate unless you use the Flexfuel kit, in which case you would run a single flexfuel map.

onzippy 04-30-2014 07:50 AM

Anybody heard from DeliciousTuning recently? I decided to give the new flash and go setup a try and they sent me their special map sensor last Friday but I haven't been able to get the rom file. Seem to have gone MIA.

DeliciousTuning... where are you????

Dustin 04-30-2014 09:56 AM

I've called, I've PM'd him here, posted here, sent a message through his website, all with no response. Maybe it's time to hire on some help. Hope you're doing okay Mr. Knose.

Zach3794 04-30-2014 10:03 AM

Bill is okay, I was over at his shop harassing him yesterday. He is powering through some customers that were having trouble with their older files before setting up the others with new files. He is looking into a bit of help in getting these all sent out, rest assured. There's only so much a man can do. I left at 7:45pm and the guy was still working!


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onzippy 04-30-2014 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zach3794 (Post 1706574)
Bill is okay, I was over at his shop harassing him yesterday. He is powering through some customers that were having trouble with their older files before setting up the others with new files. He is looking into a bit of help in getting these all sent out, rest assured. There's only so much a man can do. I left at 7:45pm and the guy was still working!


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Thanks for the status... Nice to have a man on the scene.
I think Paul at Avo spoiled me with his Johnny on the spot email replies.

Zach3794 04-30-2014 10:51 AM

I'll check up on him again today and let you guys know, I'll try to get him to chime in here today as well.


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Dezoris 04-30-2014 12:36 PM

No matter how good your tuning is if you can't support or don't have time or provision to support it, bad things can happen.

We have seen this before on here. Hope things smooth out for Bill.

TemeCal 04-30-2014 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezoris (Post 1706776)
No matter how good your tuning is if you can't support or don't have time or provision to support it, bad things can happen.

We have seen this before on here. Hope things smooth out for Bill.

I completely agree. I'm not pleased with my tune at the moment, and have been waiting 4 weeks (on Saturday) for an update. 1 month of waiting, and driving on a tune I'm not confident with...is not fun.

I have no doubts in Bill's abilities. But as @Dezoris mentioned, if a tuner is too big to send updates out, bad things can happen. I left FA20Club because of this, and now I'm questioning my purchase with @DeliciousTuning.

Again, I'm not saying Bill isn't a great guy and isn't a great tuner. He just seems like he's grown way over his head and we are the ones suffering. I'm now contemplating jumping ship to try out yet another tuner. It starts getting very expensive. I just want a good stable tune that I can forget about.

Hopefully Bill can send out updates soon. All this waiting is beyond frustrating.

GremlinGSP 04-30-2014 01:12 PM

It makes you wonder how much he is getting swarmed due to people jumping from FA20. I know I left FA20 to go to him. I just installed my AVO turbo last weekend and am looking forward to getting the tune finalized.

Brick 04-30-2014 01:36 PM

He's also in between moving into his own shop right now. Great guy and knows what he's doing. Hopefully he can get some help in the customer service regard.

Dezoris 04-30-2014 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TemeCal (Post 1706809)
I completely agree. I'm not pleased with my tune at the moment, and have been waiting 4 weeks (on Saturday) for an update. 1 month of waiting, and driving on a tune I'm not confident with...is not fun.

I have no doubts in Bill's abilities. But as @Dezoris mentioned, if a tuner is too big to send updates out, bad things can happen. I left FA20Club because of this, and now I'm questioning my purchase with @DeliciousTuning.

Again, I'm not saying Bill isn't a great guy and isn't a great tuner. He just seems like he's grown way over his head and we are the ones suffering. I'm now contemplating jumping ship to try out yet another tuner. It starts getting very expensive. I just want a good stable tune that I can forget about.

Hopefully Bill can send out updates soon. All this waiting is beyond frustrating.

Sorry to hear that, not a good situation, unless you can afford to park your car and wait.

Personally when you have this kind of time and money invested in a car as an owner, instead of paying $300 for an e-tune I would pay close to triple that if that meant I could get a dedicated block of time/appointment for phone, dyno and email support for log/dyno review. I don't want my car and logs being treated like a fast food line. Again we have seen that, "looks good", "Try this map, gotta go."

Most of us don't care about "quick" we care about doing it right, and don't like back and forth or chasing someone. This has nothing to do with Bill, his process or tuning.

But just some pseudo advice. If you can't keep up, it's ok to do a stop sale to get caught up and get control.

It's better than being in over your head and pissing people off.

SmsAlSuwaidi 04-30-2014 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezoris (Post 1706980)
Sorry to hear that, not a good situation, unless you can afford to park your car and wait.

Personally when you have this kind of time and money invested in a car as an owner, instead of paying $300 for an e-tune I would pay close to triple that if that meant I could get a dedicated block of time/appointment for phone, dyno and email support for log/dyno review. I don't want my car and logs being treated like a fast food line. Again we have seen that, "looks good", "Try this map, gotta go."

Most of us don't care about "quick" we care about doing it right, and don't like back and forth or chasing someone. This has nothing to do with Bill, his process or tuning.

But just some pseudo advice. If you can't keep up, it's ok to do a stop sale to get caught up and get control.

It's better than being in over your head and pissing people off.


This !!!


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DeliciousTuning 04-30-2014 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TemeCal (Post 1706809)
I completely agree. I'm not pleased with my tune at the moment, and have been waiting 4 weeks (on Saturday) for an update. 1 month of waiting, and driving on a tune I'm not confident with...is not fun.

I have no doubts in Bill's abilities. But as @Dezoris mentioned, if a tuner is too big to send updates out, bad things can happen. I left FA20Club because of this, and now I'm questioning my purchase with @DeliciousTuning.

Again, I'm not saying Bill isn't a great guy and isn't a great tuner. He just seems like he's grown way over his head and we are the ones suffering. I'm now contemplating jumping ship to try out yet another tuner. It starts getting very expensive. I just want a good stable tune that I can forget about.

Hopefully Bill can send out updates soon. All this waiting is beyond frustrating.

In response to Innovate SC Update Tunes:
- I understand your frustrations BUT do I have to remind everyone that you are more than welcome to revert to a previous tune that you feel more confident in (that we have supplied), until I have gotten the updates out. May I also remind you all that is a FREE update and being upset about that is really uncalled for. At this time, being I have received so many complaints about not getting the FREE updates I will now be implementing an update charge on all future updates after this final revision goes out to everyone. You may not find it fair, but it is not fair for me to upgrades every tune (most of them being slightly customized) where each one takes me about 20-30 minutes to update. Now multiply that by about 100. How much time does that take (yeah a week straight of work or more) on something that I offer out for FREE. So with the final release I am sending to everyone, any future changes and updates will require a small update charge. Thank you for clarifying my confusion on how to move forward with free updates.

SMSAlSuwaidi, really... Wow, lets look at how everything has gone down
1. Your car shows up unscheduled so we can tune it. So now we need to find time to get it scheduled in an already booked schedule. B.S.
2. Then I request that you drive the car with the base map I spent the day on to work our any kinks (and never was paid for). Since I have been doing this for 15 years I know what to expect with prototype kits, kinks in the armor that need to be worked out. So you ignore my experience and want it tuned. B.S.
3. I schedule a SUNDAY to work on it, on the dyno. Guess what is has a massive coolant leak. So I wasted my Sunday, pissed off my family, didn't spend time with my 1 year old son I rarely see as it it and too boot didn't get paid again. B.S.
4. Now we are waiting for it to get repaired by someone else than the shop the car is at, so now we need to ignore local insurance rules and let someone else work on the car at our facility. What if something were to happen to that person, we would be liable. B.S.
5. Then when we tune it on 91 octane (on an already booked schedule, so we squeezed it in) we make more power than any other kit we have seen on 91 octane (270whp Mustang Dyno btw). Your initial response "Finally...". Way to spit in your waiters food. B.S.
6. Now I tell you to please drive it, to work out remaining kinks before the bigger power on E85. You take the car begrudgingly. And now I hear you have fuel leaks...

Wow, I am just amazed at your gratitude, how much time we put into tuning it, and was never paid for it, working Sundays and how much time it wasted from me helping other customers, like those posting on here. Thanks for the support... It is not fair for you to do what you have done, to me or anyone who has worked on your vehicle, it has taken time away from me and which takes time away from me helping others.

As for orders over the past month
- I have been taking very very few orders over the past month now, very few in fact so I can get moved in and catch up which I am still working on but getting there. But being as far behind as I have been and working on putting out good tunes takes time. Like I stated I am looking to get some help right now, but once again this all takes time.

Why I tune, versus others?
- Why should I do this, why should I tune? What benefit do I get out of being treated like garbage. Yes I could go and screw all my customers, but I would be like everyone other tuner jumping from car manufacturer to manufacturer as MANY others do because they are only looking at the bottom line dollar. Look at how many tuners have done this (yes I am calling them out). Yet I have been dedicated to the Subaru engine management platform longer than any one of them on this forum and EcuTeK far longer than anyone else, which is a fairly vast and complex system, especially on these vehicles. I do this because I actually enjoy it, with a computer science degree/mathematics degree I geek out on it. Maybe too much and it suffers because I can not keep up with customers. So I am looking for help now, but treat me like garbage.

In all, I do not appreciate the remarks, comments and "thanks" people have posted. I have been all cupcakes and rainbows through most of it, ignoring a lot of the B.S. But it has come to a point where things need to be said, if you are not happy about what I have said, I can completely understand but I would ask that you take a step back and think about what I offer compared to others and why you came to me in the first place. If you have suggestions on improving any aspect of my work a reasonable suggestions would be appreciated versus the remarks I keep getting. I am all ears...

I may not know all there is, nor be the best (I know many extremely good tuners in many markets) but I put out the best work I can (learn something new every day) and you all know that. My reputation and resume speaks for itself and I have realized I can only take on what I can handle, and the support I receive from the people I work with and my customers helps immensely.

Recent orders
As for couple few who have purchased tunes in the past week, I am currently working on all those tunes and will have them all out today. Thank you for being patient and for everyone else who has been incredibly patient, thank you. That will not go unforgotten.

Regards,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

SmsAlSuwaidi 04-30-2014 03:35 PM

@DeliciousTuning

I was just talking about the general public of waiting, i want the best for you. I never hated the work you put in, i actually constantly thanked you especially for coming on a sunday which i have a paid for :) ask mike, and also paid for a full 91 dyno tune ......


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protpibe 04-30-2014 03:39 PM

Good response

Although the odd delay here and there isn't ideal, i don't mind waiting to have it done right. I'm also okay with paying for future updates.

From a customer, thanks for your work and time you put in

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TemeCal 04-30-2014 03:58 PM

Bill-
I can understand your frustrations. I'm in no way doubting your abilities or even the hard work you're putting in. I went with you simply because everyone was saying "Bill's Innovate tune is perfect".

I was told that this is not a "canned" tune, which meant I could at least datalog and get an update for a safe tune. Even your website shows:

========================
Additional Support Features
Free updates for the life of the tune
Priority Ticket Support through our website
========================

So calling us "ungrateful" for something we should be getting, is a bit of a stretch. I just want a good, solid tune. I just want what I paid for. Nothing more. I'm not even data logging for you anymore, because it seems pointless.

I'm sorry you feel like we're bashing you. I'm sorry you think we're ungrateful. I just think you bit off more than you can chew. I still recommend you to all my friends, because I do think you're one of the best out there.


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