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7thgear 11-22-2013 11:11 AM

Nissan's paradigm shift.. Delta Wing inspired tech
 
very.. very.. very interesting article..

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...=1457_31437471

i'm curious if the benefits would always be there or if the narrow front has to be past a certain size to be effective

hmmm

Calum 11-22-2013 01:28 PM

That's incredible.

DarkSunrise 11-22-2013 01:44 PM

Really interesting story. Very curious what kind of sports cars will spawn from this concept.

dem00n 11-22-2013 02:16 PM

That's interesting.

As cool as a penis shaped sport car will be for the rainbow crowd (Aaaa!) i don't think we would see anything like this be accepted as a standard for generations to come.

It would have to be really good, like topping everything else in class good and be able to hold it for a while.


Edit: I was just thinking, how would something like this would take to frontal crashing in the real world? Wouldn't by chance the driver be more in danger with a car like this?

7thgear 11-22-2013 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dem00n (Post 1347111)
Edit: I was just thinking, how would something like this would take to frontal crashing in the real world? Wouldn't by chance the driver be more in danger with a car like this?

probably better than a square brick everyone else drives

my thoughts is that a triangular (not necessarily penis shaped) frame would have a higher chance at deflecting away from whatever you're gonna hit at a right angle

that's how tank armour works....


my question would be how tight the front end would have to be for this to be a benefit, or would any shrinking of the front track would start to yield a handling benefit..

like, what if we put on +55, 16X6 wheels on the front with 205 rubber and much higher offest tires on the rears?

no axle at the front could mean custom control, shorter control arms and cut camber plates for greater effect

Captain Snooze 11-22-2013 04:42 PM

Ummmm... I don't know what I'm talking about here but (I think) the the whole narrow front/wide rear concept is tied in with the weight distribution. The concept works on the Atom (massive rear bias) and works on the Deltapenis for the same reason.
For those who missed it:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_INdbXMqsw"]Track Test: Nissan DeltaWing Driven At Road Atlanta -- /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS - YouTube[/ame]

7thgear 11-22-2013 04:46 PM

yeah, probably little to replicate in an FRS or similar

but somehting like a RR Porsche or Elise... :o

Racecomp Engineering 11-22-2013 05:29 PM

I'm in a facebook group with a lot of motorsport industry guys (past and present, heavy on LMP cars) and it's amazing how many of them hate the Delta car. As far as I can tell there is no real specific reason. Many of them hate KERS for that matter and most "new" things. :lol:

I'm pretty excited about all of it. That's a great article!

- Andy

mav1178 11-22-2013 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 1347612)
I'm in a facebook group with a lot of motorsport industry guys (past and present, heavy on LMP cars) and it's amazing how many of them hate the Delta car. As far as I can tell there is no real specific reason. Many of them hate KERS for that matter and most "new" things. :lol:

:cough:Mulsanne's Corner:cough:

mid_life_crisis 11-22-2013 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 1347504)
yeah, probably little to replicate in an FRS or similar

but somehting like a RR Porsche or Elise... :o

Or a dune buggy chassis with the engine behind/on top of the rear wheels.

The article made it quite clear that weight distribution is a HUGE factor in making this work. The car sticks in corners because all the weight is over the massive rear tires. The front end just points it in a different direction. I imagine it would take an impressive wing over the front end to generate enough downforce to keep it safe at speed.

Dimman 11-22-2013 07:12 PM

This thing also needs very sophisticated electronic traction/stability control, AFAIK. Probably why the traditional guys don't like it. It's naturally unstable and not 'honest'.

But that makes me think about fighter jets, and when fly-by-wire allowed designers to create ridiculous manoeuvrability that they previously couldn't.

Too bad it's so ugly.

7thgear 11-22-2013 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 1347747)
This thing also needs very sophisticated electronic traction/stability control, AFAIK. Probably why the traditional guys don't like it. It's naturally unstable and not 'honest'.

But that makes me think about fighter jets, and when fly-by-wire allowed designers to create ridiculous manoeuvrability that they previously couldn't.

Too bad it's so ugly.

Dimman doesn't like the D

Dimman 11-22-2013 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 1347962)
Dimman doesn't like the D

Nope.

Captain Snooze 11-22-2013 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimman (Post 1347747)
This thing also needs very sophisticated electronic traction/stability control, AFAIK.

I realise the video doesn't reveal all but it is explained that the set up is quite stable due to the design. I think the differing roll stiffness forward/aft vs roll due to the rear anti geo is very trick. 10.20 in the vid


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