How/Why did you chose the BRZ/FR-S/GT-86 over the GT-86/BRZ/FR-s?
 

I know this probably isn't the correct place for this question but i figured it was the best place given the lack of a combined general board and that the majority of the people posting here would own one of the twins.

I am considering purchasing a twin in the next year or so and i am curious about why you chose the one you have. If looks, price, and/or availability were the only reasons then please refrain from answering, as i would like to here from the people who test drove 2/3 or all three (if they were all available in you location).

I've read a lot of the comparisons and watched hours of the YT videos so i know the majority of the differences (between the FR-S and the BRZ anyway). I haven't had a chance to drive the BRZ or FR-S yet, but i plan to.

I think this thread my help people get a better idea of what other people liked/disliked about each model as compared to its siblings.

Lets see if we can stick to a post format to help with the reading.

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Owned VS Compared

Did you drive both?

Why did you chose the one you did?
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Yes, this will be a thread full of opinions. Your opinion may not match someone else's. I don't care, i want to hear their opinions and yours, but only if it is relevant to this thread.

To those who will cooperate, thanks in advance.
To the rest of you narcissistic losers who will post anyway, aren't you glad these two sentences are all about you? This is a rhetorical question.


_ViPeRX

You wrote any awful lot for a car you have never driven....

Let me break this down for you...

This car is a Toyota. It's the Toyota 86, imagined and dreamed up by Toyota. Once time came for r&d, Toyota decided a boxer engine would be in their best interest as they recently acquired a percentage on Fuji Heavy Industries (subarus parent company). Your six year old sister knows that subaru is infamous for the use of this flat mounted design.

So an agreement was made and with the help of subaru, the Toyota design was brought to life. If you asked you sister like you should have, she might have also clued you in on the fact that subaru has a hard on for awd designs, so the idea of a Rwd sports car was not on their agenda. This almost caused their withdrawl from the project and ultimately it's demise but once Toyota showed them what their hard work had amounted to with one of the prototypes, subaru agreed to move foward. They would have their version of the project the brz which as everyone knows, admitingly or not, it's not guinely a subaru.

So we have the Toyota 86 and the subaru brz.

Walk into a subaru dealer and you'd be foolish to ask for a brz when their are names like wrx and sti hanging around. What is an sti? It's awd + turbo and it gets your juices flowing.
On top of that it's more money than the Toyota for what some call an upgraded interior, but don't kid yourself you don't buy a platform like this for its interior.

So now we have it narrowed down to your answer: the Toyota 86.

Now I know you would absoultely love to drive around in a car with "gt" in its name but sorry this is not a nissan. The GT86 is a just another name for this car in another market outside Japan, just as if your living in the states you get the clever combination of letters FR-S. There are no performance differences in all the markets as of now. Subaru has realeased upgraded packages in japan but don't let them fool you. If the six stars still have you all wide eyed and bushy tailed, stay focus and remember "wrx" not "brz".

So there you have it, could have just asked your sister.

Lol! First post of this person and it was well weird? Good response supra :lol:

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Because I have a soft spot for leather I first thought of buying a BRZ Limited. But, I don't like the rear spoiler which I consider form over function. I decided to go with the basic, simplest car available and that was the FR-S. I've grown fond of the upholstery and no longer want leather. I'm very happy with my decision.

Psy- spoiler and front bumper was the biggest things on why I chosed an frs

FR-S because simplicity.

Elegant, perceptive, insightful post. one of the best I've read on any forum here, thanks.

Thanks for the helpful replies, guys.

I had a snappy retort to supra, however my phone decided it's energy was better spent doing something more useful than feeding an anus.

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You think too much! The "over detail" leads one to believe perhaps Asperger's is present. WTH ever happened to simply buying what you like? My research prior to purchasing, stated the FRS handles a bit better than the BRZ! I prefer the fascia of the FRS, so there you have it! DUDE, DON'T MAKE IT WEIRD!

This question is pretty pointless...I'm sure 99% of people who bought the FR-S would have bought the GT86 if they could've (see: how many do a badge swap) but seeings as how it isn't available in US/CAN there really isn't an option...and for people in Japan/AUS/etc where the GT86 is available, the Scion FR-S isn't...

This is just a long-winded way of asking FRS vs. BRZ? (Which there is an entire section of this forum that is dedicated to that)

Forgot to mention how much I hate the reference "twins".

Unless of course this is Austin Powers.

i picked the fr-s because the US doesn't have the gt86.

Hahahaha!

I picked the FR-S because I hate the GT86.

The BRZ/FRS/GT86:
Subaru engine (toyota DI)
Aisin Transmission
Subaru Frame/suspension
Subaru Interior
Subaru electronics
Toyota exterior
Hmm... Sorta sounds like a subaru with some hints of toyota there Mr. Supra. Maybe some more research is in order? Maybe look at your car and see that SUBARU is stamped in it everywhere. The engine design is Subaru through and through, the Suspension and frame is based of other Subaru Products, and even borrows parts. The Interior is based off of other Subaru designs. And Subaru, for the BRZ, designed the headlights, bumper, grill, and foglights. So part of the exterior is from them as well. Sorry to discredit your paragraph of Toyota love ='(

planning on buying the brz because of the heated seats/mirrors, push button starting, i like the front end and headlights better, and the insurance is slightly lower.

call me a ***** for wanting those features, but i've never bought a car newer than 10 years old before and if i'm going to go through with it, i want features that are actually part of many new cars.

*****.

:popcorn:

he's a *****? Well **** a ***** and **** some ******!
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Since they're the exact same car (except springs/front look) it all comes down to features and price. Pick the combination of things you want using something like this:


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45042


(newly announced monogram FR-S not included yet)

Better? I don't know about that - I've read comparisons that went both ways. Some prefer the more neutral handling of the BRZ (very slight understeer transitioning to power oversteer with throttle application), while others like the tail-happy nature of the FR-S. It's more of a preference than anything else. As for looks, that's also a personal preference.

Also, Supra, I know Toyota sports cars make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside (it's easy enough to tell from your name), but the fact of the matter is, this car is made in a Subaru plant, has a Subaru engine on it, and had significant design input (especially aesthetically/aerodynamically) from Toyota. Toyota also contributed significant knowledge related to direct injection. At the end of the day, this car wouldn't exist without both manufacturers, and to deny that that is the case is simply willful ignorance on your part.

Wanted a WRX for the longest time but the current platform is aging and it shows in the interior. Arguably you wouldn't buy a driver's car in this price range expecting a nice interior but I wanted leather seats (heated is a plus) and the push start is nothing if not cool.

I don't really care for the Scion brand name and rebadging it to a Toyota just didn't sit right with me. If Toyota actually sold the GT86 in the states I might have bought that, but as they don't I vastly prefer the Subaru name.

The Subaru it is.

Okay since I placed an order for 86 (over BRZ), the reasons:
- my reason: front grill on 86 looks much better than the one on BRZ IMO - BRZ one look stiff. Same with the lights -86 GTS with HID look much better.
- my partner's reason: She doesn't llike Subaru logo (the stars) - looks like an old car logo she said. I actually tend to agree. Logo wise Toyota one looks nicer.

There you have it.

Hello psyviperx and ...... http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...es/welcome.gif

Yes, I drove both the FR-S and a BRZ before I decided on the FR-S.

First, I chose a transmission (6MT)

Then I chose (err my wife chose) a color (white).

Two dealers, almost side by side, had both models which were white with a MT.

I paid cash so, no financing entered the picture.

Why did I choose the FR-S .. ??

I just "liked" it better.

Just decide what YOU like; ..... buy one and have fun!

humfrz

BRZ was expensive.

I think it really comes down to price and options. If you want leather,cool climate control buttons, and leds then get a BRZ. If you want a simple sports car then get the FRS. Not much of a difference, still nice cars.

I test drove both.

I bought a BRZ because I got a 2013 BRZ Limited for roughly the same price as an FR-S....and at the Subaru dealership I got my BRZ at...I got 0% financing.

But I am not going to say one is better than the other.

I prefer the exterior of the FR-S.

I prefer the interior and options on the BRZ.

Both are great.

I have owned 2 4 Runners and 2 MR2...so I like Toyota a lot.

I have owned an STI...so I like Subaru.

I trust both companies. So for me...it was a local honest Subaru dealership that got me to get the BRZ. but you cant go wrong with either.

Well... for the most part.

You can't go wrong with either car.

You can go wrong with a tuner.

@Anthony
@YMAA


Is that a "John from Visconti" tune there?

Yes. The joke that never gets old.

I heard he was tuning Teslas now.

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs...mexico?ref=bfv

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...rge-burns-out/

Went for the BRZ. I went through Clint from @HeubergerMotors, and I got a limited BRZ for damn near the same price as a FRS. And personally...I just don't like the name Scion. :iono:

I'm using mine as a dd and plan to for a long time, so interior was important to me.
I completely agree that the front bumper on the frs has a sexy, more aggressive look. But for the 2,500 I paid more for the brz I got dat interior, and the HID headlights, with all the goodies, touch doors are the nicest thing IMO.

My opinion dd= brz
Fun/track car = frs

Or you could go with a monogram 10 series thingy to have scion with most the features of a brz/gt86.

What you really need to do now that you've read other peoples opinions, is to find two dealerships close and decide for yourself!

Enjoy!

front bumper + side 86 emblem + price = FRS
i could care less about the leather seats, the auto climate control and the pushstart. the only thing that i love from the brz is the headlights. but i will be getting them for my frs real soon!

FR-S. Bought because: front bumper, fender trim, white tach, availability.

I would have been happy with a BRZ limited too, mainly for: HIDs, interior, keyless start, nav.

Pros and cons to both. Everybody wins. They're both great cars.

Heated seats, Alcantara interior, climate control, keyless entry and I like the grille on the BRZ slightly better. So I chose the BRZ.

As for the supposed handling difference well, maybe, they're both tail happy on stock summer tires so I'm not sure that difference is a significant factor.

Initially I didn't think much of the spoiler on the top trim BRZ but it's grown on me since. I like both looks now, with or without the decorative spoiler.

Having said all that I'd have been just as happy with the FRS if not for those heated seats!

Totally agree, but he sure knows alot about the OP's 6 yr old sister.
J/K. LOL. Seriously .... great post.

More research is in order for only you there muscles. When I look at my car and see Subaru stamped everywhere, it's because it was manufactured in a Subaru plant, which is how Toyota wanted it. As I stated above Toyota owns a percentage of this company. You walk into a Subaru dealer as a non enthusiast and you'll probably think the brz looks out of place. The curves scream Toyota. As far as the transmission, it was pulled from the Lexus IS-F. And your "engine through and through" is sadly incorrect. All you have to do is look at the cover and see the D4-S marking. That's Toyota injection. Follow me? And for your "Subaru interior", my climate controls are straight off a corolla and my turn turn signal knob and wiper knob are Toyota as well. As is my head unit. Easy on the Subaru electronics statement, as that is incorrect as well. Toyota did most of the R&D. This is a Toyota car.

Just to top it off, if you look around in the engine bay long enough you might even find a Mitsubishi part. ;)

That is all correct, but where did the money come from to develop the car?
You guessed correct, Toyota.
And to straiten things out, the main reason Subaru was involved in the development of this car is because Toyota didn't had the resources to develop an additional model.
(they make a lot of cars and every single one of them get a small refresh every year, a minor model change every 3 years and a full model change every 5 or 6 years)
So you can imagine the workload.
They could have bought the engine from Subaru if necessary.

And to answer to the OP, i have a GT86 and for me the choice was easy because i work for Toyota Europe R&D.

Picked brz limited because wanted heated seats in the winter and wanted leather/alcantera seats since I'm a bit messy.