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CARNZ 11-03-2013 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by brn12345 (Post 1310411)
Subaru has a few part numbers for different cars with different sized oil coolers. Maybe it would be useful if we can find a part number for a bigger capacity cooler from a different model that would work for us?

Why not use the one made for the FA20?

imom 11-03-2013 05:14 PM

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Is this the Forester XT inlet and outlet connection and what CARNZ had used for the BRZ set up? As shown in the first attachement from Kostamojen's picture?


Thank you Kostamojen for your proposal... your way seems to save the cost of getting another water bypass pipe

Kostamojen's water routing for the oil cooler picture (second attachment)

I still like to get get the full part number of the BRZ water bypass pipe in case I need to buy it.

LeeMaster 11-04-2013 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 1310014)
Why would you even do that?

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Originally Posted by ft_sjo (Post 1310021)
Because it's easy to type random crap on the internet.

Because I already have a Perrin oil cooler

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Originally Posted by PantsDants (Post 1310025)
What he said. This mod, coupled with an upgraded radiator, should hold up just fine for anything you throw at it N/A. You may reevaluate later if you decide to go bonkers with forced induction though*.

The pros for this setup definitely outweigh the cons. With this, you get an oil warmer, oil cooler, and you don't have to worry about losing engine oil due to core or line leaks. It really seems like the way to go. I simply plan on installing just the oil cooler without upgrading the radiator as I don't see any track use in my immediate future. Regulating under hood temps via cooling the engine oil down as well as getting to operating temp faster is a big win for me. Plus the added peace of mind of reduced oil temps preventing degradation.

* Pretty much talking out my ass here.

Thank you for the explanation. At first I had mixed(confused) feelings because my Perrin oil cooler has a different way of cooling down the oil level and wondered why the hell Subaru didnt do this in the first place. Using water temps to heat up the oil faster and then regulate the temps all makes sense now. I wonder if they will implement this idea for the 2015 versions.. guess well just have to wait and see.

Acree 11-04-2013 04:07 AM

Excellent thread. Great job.

ft_sjo 11-04-2013 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LeeMaster (Post 1311091)
why the hell Subaru didnt do this in the first place

Cost, and it's not necessary for a stock vehicle.

s2d4 11-04-2013 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by imom (Post 1310523)
I still like to get get the full part number of the BRZ water bypass pipe in case I need to buy it.

Neither of the options you are looking at require the brz pipe.

If going with a new pipe, much easier to cut the mentioned pipe and bead form it, done, no more kinks and cheaper too.

PantsDants 11-04-2013 05:14 AM

Couldn't you just use a longer section of hose and zip-tie it somewhere to prevent it from kinking?

imom 11-04-2013 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by s2d4 (Post 1311336)
Neither of the options you are looking at require the brz pipe.

If going with a new pipe, much easier to cut the mentioned pipe and bead form it, done, no more kinks and cheaper too.

A picture would be nice to show what you mean... after seeing Kostamojen idea, I may not get the BRZ pipe and just get the rest and wait and see how to plumb the oil cooler.

s2d4 11-04-2013 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by imom (Post 1311350)
A picture would be nice to show what you mean... after seeing Kostamojen idea, I may not get the BRZ pipe and just get the rest and wait and see how to plumb the oil cooler.

In the picture where you have the "outlet?", it's the bend pipe right next to it and points to fig 72.

Therefore, cut + bead form = no more bend = no more kinks when using original frs/brz hose.

Anthony 11-04-2013 05:27 AM

Subscrizzled my nizzle.

CARNZ 11-04-2013 09:30 AM

Here's a pic I took just now from the topside of the engine, you can see how slightly bent the BRZ hose is when installed on the FXT pipe.

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho...51747111_n.jpg

I have no worries about the long-term effects of this as the kink is very very small. I could bend the FXT pipe upward some and completely eliminate it, but like I said, no worries.

xxscaxx 11-04-2013 01:01 PM

Depending on how large that pipe is, i'm going to use my hand pipe bender to straighten that part out if I can. if not, no biggie.

Superhatch 11-04-2013 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CARNZ (Post 1309142)
I'm gonna see if I have time today to do some logging with BRZedit during hard driving.

Realized I forgot to list the part number for the FXT water pipe - 14050AA970...

Ugh my mistake

FWIW that part from my dealer is 76.20...so it adds a bit to the total and puts the cost closer to $350.

CARNZ 11-04-2013 01:29 PM

If you order it from heuberger its cheaper. I posted their prices for everything in a screenshot above.

$260 and change for everything

Tye300 11-04-2013 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by imom (Post 1310523)
Is this the Forester XT inlet and outlet connection and what CARNZ had used for the BRZ set up? As shown in the first attachement from Kostamojen's picture?


Thank you Kostamojen for your proposal... your way seems to save the cost of getting another water bypass pipe

Kostamojen's water routing for the oil cooler picture (second attachment)

I still like to get get the full part number of the BRZ water bypass pipe in case I need to buy it.

Running it this way seems a lot simpler.

CARNZ 11-04-2013 02:51 PM

I was considering that way at first as well, my only concern was if it would possibly cause a hinderance in coolant flow.

The oil cooler inlet is the same size, but the outlet is smaller. Also, all the other coolers are plumbed in with extra piping/lines, maybe Subaru thinks there wouldn't be enough coolant flow to run everything through the cooler instead of each having their own coolant feed.

All speculation, but thats why I ended up buying the pipe and adding the fitting to get the coolant from an additional spot for the cooler.

Kostamojen 11-04-2013 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tye300 (Post 1311945)
Running it this way seems a lot simpler.

FYI that was just an early idea. I ruled it out because the heater hose is much larger than the oil cooler lines.

There is another option other than the FXT return hose for manual transmission cars, and that is the coolant crossover pipe on top of the engine that has a blocking plate that can be replaced with a plate with a fitting from the AT cars so you can run the return line directly to there. It might be cheaper, don't know.

Tye300 11-04-2013 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CARNZ (Post 1311964)
I was considering that way at first as well, my only concern was if it would possibly cause a hinderance in coolant flow.

The oil cooler inlet is the same size, but the outlet is smaller. Also, all the other coolers are plumbed in with extra piping/lines, maybe Subaru thinks there wouldn't be enough coolant flow to run everything through the cooler instead of each having their own coolant feed.

All speculation, but thats why I ended up buying the pipe and adding the fitting to get the coolant from an additional spot for the cooler.

Noted. Well it was too simple to be true. Haha.

Tye300 11-04-2013 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 1311999)
FYI that was just an early idea. I ruled it out because the heater hose is much larger than the oil cooler lines.

There is another option other than the FXT return hose for manual transmission cars, and that is the coolant crossover pipe on top of the engine that has a blocking plate that can be replaced with a plate with a fitting from the AT cars so you can run the return line directly to there. It might be cheaper, don't know.

Thanks. Still waiting for someone with an AT to do this. If I do it, would just teeing from the AT cooler line work? Would the AT cooler suffer from this?

imom 11-04-2013 04:20 PM

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I think I understand how the plumbing works now... the picture that CARNZ provided ... you have to remove the water block plug see attached picture from CARNZ and then that goes the inlet of the FXT oil cooler...the outlet of the FXT oil cooler goes into the inlet of the water pipe shown in the second picture and hence the reason why CARNZ used the FXT water bypass pipe and the BRZ didn't have one.

PantsDants 11-04-2013 05:55 PM

What is the diameter on the heater hose? I'm tempted to just replace it with a longer hose to give it some slack and prevent kinks.

CARNZ 11-04-2013 06:31 PM

It's not that the hose isn't long enough, it's just that with the rear bend it comes close to a support bolted to the firewall. I pushed the hose on a little farther and angled it slightly to the side and it fits like my photo without issues.

I am not quite sure of the diameter, i'll check out the brz water pipe tomorrow since i have it laying around.

Kostamojen 11-05-2013 08:31 PM

Alright, the forester heater pipe there are only two left in the country and the hose that goes from the front pipe to the oil cooler is backordered until the 30th...

CARNZ 11-05-2013 09:57 PM

I guess we are exhausting the supply lol...

If we VOR that front hose it'll come quicker and should only add a few dollars to the cost.

Kostamojen 11-05-2013 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CARNZ (Post 1314857)
I guess we are exhausting the supply lol...

If we VOR that front hose it'll come quicker and should only add a few dollars to the cost.

I put mine on VOR

Kostamojen 11-07-2013 03:22 AM

Couple pics of my parts so far:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...106_211653.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...106_213615.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...106_211801.jpg

FYI both pipes on the oil cooler are NOT the same, the return line is smaller.

s2d4 11-07-2013 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 1317557)
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...106_213615.jpg
FYI both pipes on the oil cooler are NOT the same, the return line is smaller.

CARNZ didn't include that bottom pipe but simply used a hose for it... No wonder there is that bulge which looked non-oem in this pic
http://i40.tinypic.com/2ai0vhj.jpg

How does that pipe line up and how will that connect to the FXT pipe? what are the part numbers for that entire circuit from the oil cooler to the FXT pipe?

PantsDants 11-07-2013 05:42 AM

So I've got a question about step 2 in the installation:

2. Remove the 24mm union that the oil filter screws on to and set the oil cooler in it's place and thread in the oil cooler connector - 21317AA070. Don't tighten it down yet, just hand screw it in.

How exactly do you remove it? Is it just a nut in the middle that holds the assembly down? What tools are needed?

CARNZ 11-07-2013 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kostamojen (Post 1317557)
Couple pics of my parts so far:
FYI both pipes on the oil cooler are NOT the same, the return line is smaller.

Got the V/C pipe too, cool. Let me know how it fits, I was a little unsure about that when I bought everything and left it out.

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Originally Posted by PantsDants (Post 1317635)
So I've got a question about step 2 in the installation:

2. Remove the 24mm union that the oil filter screws on to and set the oil cooler in it's place and thread in the oil cooler connector - 21317AA070. Don't tighten it down yet, just hand screw it in.

How exactly do you remove it? Is it just a nut in the middle that holds the assembly down? What tools are needed?

The 24mm union is just like a bolt. Use a 24mm deep socket and you can remove it and install the oil cooler union bolt(the long one).

CARNZ 11-07-2013 10:21 AM

21317aa070 is needed no matter what since its what bolts the oil cooler to the engine

s2d4 11-07-2013 10:39 AM

@CARNZ

What parts did you replace with that bulging hose?

Trac Toy 11-07-2013 11:10 AM

I've got a question, you mention some coolant will come out when the plug is removed. How much are we talking about? Gallon? Half a gallon? Niagara Falls? Needing two gallons of new coolant leads me to believe it could be a fair bit.

CARNZ 11-07-2013 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CHUMPC4R (Post 1317874)
I've got a question, you mention some coolant will come out when the plug is removed. How much are we talking about? Gallon? Half a gallon? Niagara Falls? Needing two gallons of new coolant leads me to believe it could be a fair bit.

I needed to use about a Gallon of coolant, maybe a little less. I put 1-2 Gallons for everyone to be on the safe side. That way once you fill it and start it up you have extra to get the air bubbles out and fill your overflow bottle as needed.

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Originally Posted by s2d4 (Post 1317831)
@CARNZ

What parts did you replace with that bulging hose?

What bulging hose?

s2d4 11-07-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CARNZ (Post 1317974)
What bulging hose?

I red boxed it a couple of post back.

Can you get the part numbers of the following?
http://i41.tinypic.com/vh3tlg.jpg

CARNZ 11-07-2013 12:25 PM

That hose definitely doesnt bulge, it may look like it in the photo though.

If i get a chance today I'll look up the numbers, we are pretty busy though may be tomorrow.

smbstyle 11-07-2013 12:26 PM

dying to see results!

ZZT86 11-08-2013 12:24 AM

Implementing this water to oil cooler has the great benefits cooler oil, engine & under hood temps aswell as eliminating the risk of a destroyed oil line but would you install it on a DD with occasional spirited fangs considering how hot temps get here in oz during summer ? Excellent & worthwhile write up btw :)

track junkie 11-08-2013 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ZZT86 (Post 1319473)
Implementing this water to oil cooler has the great benefits cooler oil, engine & under hood temps aswell as eliminating the risk of a destroyed oil line but would you install it on a DD with occasional spirited fangs considering how hot temps get here in oz during summer ? Excellent & worthwhile write up btw :)


This added oil cooler will likely reduce high oil temperatures encountered on a race track by 20 F/ 11 C. For an unmodified daily driver, it's of no real benefit.

http://www.cusco.co.jp/products/asse...ata-20308.html

Kostamojen 11-08-2013 02:10 AM

For a daily driver, the main benefit is bringing the oil up to operating temperatures faster. Its the main reason why all the turbo models have them, but as we have stated it does both this and cool the oil at high temps.

For the low cost IMO this is worth it on a DD.

Kostamojen 11-08-2013 04:00 AM

Just found this, pertains a little to this thread:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=51


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