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Captain Snooze 10-31-2013 05:44 AM

Suspension Weak Link?
 
I was at the suspension shop today having the rear camber altered and having a bit of a chat to the owner of the shop about some bent lower control arms that were sitting on the counter. (I didn't get around to asking what car they were from). I was told the owner had had an off track excursion, lost control and clipped the edge of the track going side ways bending the arms. I asked wouldn't stronger arms be the answer and was told fitting stronger arms would transfer the force somewhere else. Sure, all elementary but not something I had considered. (I don't know what I don't know). He said it was cheaper to replace the arms as opposed to potentially bending sub-frames or bodies.

Maybe something for consideration?

7thgear 10-31-2013 10:48 AM

yes this is an important engineering consideration

this is why i'm weary of super-stiff control arms. If they need to bend, and don't, something else will.

A properly engineered arm should have just enough stiffness to fight deflection generated by your grip levels, and let lose the moment it experiences anything greater.

full blown racecars generally have the attachement points made to shear off, so when you're fixing the thing you're just welding on the hookups and not having to straighten the whole frame.

J-W 10-31-2013 11:23 AM

I recently(over the weekend) bent an oem front control arm. The bend is visually noticeable. Weak points enginerred into a design is a good thing, but still, an oem arm is ~$250. At this time, there are no parts in the dealerships in the US, according to my local dealer. Add some adjustment points to that and the price alone is comparable to aftermarket options. I've decided to upgrade mine and be a little more careful in tight corners.

-Jay

ZDan 10-31-2013 11:27 AM

$250 is nothing compared to having to straighten a tweaked unibody...

J-W 10-31-2013 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 1305090)
$250 is nothing compared to having to straighten a tweaked unibody...

True, that's why I'm going to be more careful. Curbs and 45 mph don't get along.

-Jay

CSG David 10-31-2013 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze (Post 1304835)
I was at the suspension shop today having the rear camber altered and having a bit of a chat to the owner of the shop about some bent lower control arms that were sitting on the counter. (I didn't get around to asking what car they were from). I was told the owner had had an off track excursion, lost control and clipped the edge of the track going side ways bending the arms. I asked wouldn't stronger arms be the answer and was told fitting stronger arms would transfer the force somewhere else. Sure, all elementary but not something I had considered. (I don't know what I don't know). He said it was cheaper to replace the arms as opposed to potentially bending sub-frames or bodies.

Maybe something for consideration?

Yup. A lot of guys who simply just street keep talking about control arm rigidity as if they are the suspension gurus. The arms bend because they are designed to bend during an impact. Obviously if you want to extract the very most out of your suspension, these control arms will be replaced by some nice pieces, but you're also trading it off for potential deflection in the chassis. The energy has to go somewhere... ;)

mike156 12-17-2013 02:12 PM

A control arm that bends easily also means it can end up pushing the tire and inner fender area into the driver's compartment. This is why many organizations require a bar as part of the cage that will protect the driver's legs from just this happening. The OEM pieces are likely designed in a way to fail but in a predictable manner that controls where the tire goes and how energy is dispersed.

But so is the intake manifold, radiator, engine mounts, hood... EVERYTHING in a modern car is designed around crash safety to some degree.


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