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makinen 10-30-2013 12:04 PM

My experiment with additional snorkel
 
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Hello,

I've tried additional snorkel after removing main resonator. Also the sound generator has been removed.

Attachment 55856

The initial impression was very weak bottom torque. But engine sound was slightly increased like CAI.

As you know, main resonator contributes to low-end torque. So this is second trial with a plastic bottle. :D Don't worry, it is heat-resistant PET.

Attachment 55857

Low-end torque came back (but not 100%) and sound was kept. Drivability is much better than the first trial.

I remember that @Kodename47 would like to try this kind of thing in http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=295. I wonder he did it or not.

Regards,

SkAsphalt 10-30-2013 12:27 PM

Could you just be adding in turbulence to everything?

lickitysplit 10-30-2013 01:02 PM

Is that really a gatorade bottle?

Craig 10-30-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lickitysplit (Post 1302860)
Is that really a gatorade bottle?

Holy shit that is a gatorade bottle, its clear some of the civic kids are buying 86s now.

radroach 10-30-2013 01:10 PM

Is this for real

CTB727 10-30-2013 01:49 PM

wat

somejace 10-30-2013 01:51 PM

:suicide: really.

Mikem53 10-30-2013 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 1302868)
Holy shit that is a gatorade bottle, its clear some of the civic kids are buying 86s now.

Dont be an ass.. He trying different things, using easy to find items that fit..
Would you rather spends hundreds of dollars on a nice looking plastic piece that didn't perform? I think many are interested in seeing the results of these homemade tests.
Kudos to the OP.. thanks for sharing..

SloS14 10-30-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 1302868)
Holy shit that is a gatorade bottle, its clear some of the civic kids are buying 86s now.

I've had 3 Civics, two of which were stock looking and boosted - and the other bone stock, so you are like a car racist.

Fast_Freddy 10-30-2013 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by makinen (Post 1302702)
Hello,

I've tried additional snorkel after removing main resonator. Also the sound generator has been removed.

The initial impression was very weak bottom torque. But engine sound was slightly increased like CAI.

As you know, main resonator contributes to low-end torque. So this is second trial with a plastic bottle. :D Don't worry, it is heat-resistant PET.

Low-end torque came back (but not 100%) and sound was kept. Drivability is much better than the first trial.

I remember that @Kodename47 would like to try this kind of thing in http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=295. I wonder he did it or not.

Regards,


You forgot to post the before and after dyno sheets. Without them you really couldn't have any idea what effect (if any) these changes made to anything other than the intake sound.

I'm sure that you thought you felt real differences but it's actually just the placebo effect.

makinen 10-31-2013 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy (Post 1303555)
You forgot to post the before and after dyno sheets. Without them you really couldn't have any idea what effect (if any) these changes made to anything other than the intake sound.

I'm sure that you thought you felt real differences but it's actually just the placebo effect.

I see your point.

Surely full load output should be important to this kind of mod. The stock setup is just two rivet holes away, so I can easily restore to the stock state and have dyno sessions to make evidence for improvement. But you know that it takes some time and money. I could make some data log using Torque app rather than doing dyno tests.

Anyway, 3rd gear 80-120kph compared to the stock 86 was almost same. So at least rpm band used that test wasn't badly affected, maybe.

But the torque decrease in bottom-end could be felt easily when you just release a clutch pedal to launch a car. Another problem is that dyno tests cannot show part load outputs. Real life drivability is relied on the partial throttle region as I think.

makinen 10-31-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SkAsphalt (Post 1302758)
Could you just be adding in turbulence to everything?

I know the possible collision inside the dirty side of the air box.
I have thought adding an air guide to separate two inlets.
Currently air may collide freely. :D

Shim 10-31-2013 12:10 PM

The gatorade bottle mod reminds me of a 'water hammer arrestor' used in plumbing to smooth flow in relation to valves slamming open and shut. Considering that long-tube exhaust headers improve low end torque by smoothing air flow ... It's beyond my competence to speculate further.

campy 10-31-2013 01:17 PM

What could be happening is that air is going in through the stock snorkel and out through your added snorkel. The air wants to go where there is the least resistance, so it might be easier to go down the piping than through the filter and into the throttle body.

I just feel like there's a reason why no one has done this before.


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