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CSG Mike 10-29-2013 02:01 PM

Which off-the-shelf Supercharger would you like to see CSG test?
 
Please post the reasons for your selection. This is strictly for off-the-shelf setups ONLY.

CSG now has a 2nd BRZ, courtesy of @HeubergerMotors.

The setup would not sponsored, and would be purchased by CSG for testing purposes. We will be comprehensively testing for street/daily driving, canyoning, and attempt to break more records at the track with the chosen setup. We've put over 30,000 miles on our first BRZ, and we plan on putting just as many on the second. We've already gone through several stock engines on 100% stock tunes; I'd venture a guess that we'll stres the cars even harder with the FI setup.

We currently hold the records for, and will be testing the new FI setup at all of the following:

Streets of Willow Springs CW, any FRS/BRZ
Streets of Willow Springs CCW, any FRS/BRZ
Buttonwillow Raceway Park 13CW, naturally aspirated FRS/BRZ (overall FRS/BRZ record owned by Evasive Motorsports)
Buttonwillow Raceway Park 13CCW, any FRS/BRZ
Buttonwillow Raceway Park 1CW, any FRS/BRZ
Buttonwillow Raceway Park 1CCW, any FRS/BRZ
Willow Springs International Raceway, any FRS/BRZ
Chuckwalla Valley Raceway, any FRS/BRZ
Auto Club Speedway, naturally aspirated FRS/BRZ (overall FRS/BRZ record owned by Robispec)
Horse Thief Mile, any FRS/BRZ

*edit*

I didn't realize there would be so much interest in seeing a FI kit really being put through rigorous testing.

I'd like to personally thank all of you for supporting CSG. Your patronage is what pays for the parts that we test, along with all of the fuel, tires, brake pads, and maintenance for the car. This, in turn, allows me to continue driving their car (and having a ton of fun in the process); there's no way I'd ever be able to get this much seat time on my own.

While I am strongly opinionated, when it comes to informational posts, I try to keep the facts separated from my opinions.

pheoxs 10-29-2013 02:35 PM

I would like to see you guys run the Vortech setup. The biggest reason is they have more units out there than all the other supercharger kits so far and would benefit the community the most. It would be great to see how one holds up on the track so current / future owners can know what to expect down the road.

xjohnx 10-29-2013 02:47 PM

God I would love to see you guys put the Innovate through the track torture tests. Pretty please?

King Tut 10-29-2013 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjohnx (Post 1300605)
God I would love to see you guys put the Innovate through the track torture tests. Pretty please?

I thought robispec already was? I voted Kraftwerks because I like to be a trouble maker.

xjohnx 10-29-2013 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1300614)
I thought robispec already was? I voted Kraftwerks because I like to be a trouble maker.

He has definitely put it through its paces, but i haven't seen much info posted about it like CSG would do.

CSG Mike 10-29-2013 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1300614)
I thought robispec already was? I voted Kraftwerks because I like to be a trouble maker.

Robispec runs a custom tune on E85. We'd be running the off-the-shelf CARB tune on 91 octane.

R2 10-29-2013 03:14 PM

The Innovate kit is the black sheep in this comparison being it is the only PD system. As such, I think we would get the best value to the community with you testing it as compared to the others. Also, since your opinions are quite highly regarded around here as being accurate and factual, I would like to hear your comments on its driveability both on and off the track and any effects of its added mass to the handling of the car.

enwave 10-29-2013 03:22 PM

Innovate -- no question. Really want to hear how the positive displacement method performs. If I go FI, I want it to feel as close to NA as possible, and so far PD might be the best way to do that.


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sw20kosh 10-29-2013 03:34 PM

Innovate! And lets get some heat soak data too with a true IAT post-blower. It would be great to see where the intake/oil/water temperatures reach steady state.

This car will be running an oil cooler and/or bigger radiator?

Dustin 10-29-2013 03:59 PM

Innovate for sure. There have been plenty of Vortech reviews and we have a good idea of what can be accomplished with them. The stage 2 Innovate is still somewhat unknown territory and there are a lot of unanswered questions as to what this kit produces.

CSG Mike 10-29-2013 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dustin (Post 1300813)
Innovate for sure. There have been plenty of Vortech reviews and we have a good idea of what can be accomplished with them. The stage 2 Innovate is still somewhat unknown territory and there are a lot of unanswered questions as to what this kit produces.

Has the Vortech really been tested in harsh conditions? I know it's perfectly fine for street driving, but I don't think I've really seen one being pushed hard at the track.

xjohnx 10-29-2013 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 1300844)
Has the Vortech really been tested in harsh conditions? I know it's perfectly fine for street driving, but I don't think I've really seen one being pushed hard at the track.

FT86speedfactory has a vortech car that i believe they said will be seeing lots of track duty

cantholdanymore 10-29-2013 04:29 PM

Innovative with stock everything else. I'll just add extra 10hp to compensate for cali gas


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