Sprintex Upgrade - announced on facebook - coming soon
 

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From Sprintex Facebook

"Coming soon... Intercooled 335 Plus 86/FRS/BRZ Supercharger system. Available as a kit or an upgrade for existing 210 systems.
If you have a built engine and supporting systems this is the next step in building the ultimate ride."

I was wondering when they were going to announce this. I foresee a flood of cheap stage 1 kits for sale. Luckily I just sold mine, what a convenient coincidence.

FYI now that it's announced. Bullet are developing this kit, and will be the sole distributor for it.

At least, that's what they told me a month ago.

They also said that for the cost of the upgrade, they advised it better to sell stage 1 kit, and buy stage 2 kit. Although, that was assuming that you could get your money back minus a few hundred for stage 1.

You mean for AU that is? For US it's at least going to another year know how fast Innovate moves.

Btw, having read your detailed explanation on why you sold the kit I assume you won't be getting this, right? :D

I won't be getting it. It's more a case of that I found out about this kit coming out, so realised that if was going to bail on my kit, it was best to do it straight away before this one was announced.

This upgraded kit isn't going to appeal to many people. The cost difference between bolting on the current offering (either stage 1, or stage '2' charge-cooled) and this upgrade is going to be massive - "if you have a built engine"..

We're talking $10k+ for this conversion.

Is it a completely different inter cooler and intake manifold?

I don't know for sure. In a conversation I had with Sprintex months ago, they confirmed this larger unit shared the same bolt pattern and pulley position as the smaller unit. They confirmed that a different inlet elbow would be required to clear the chassis bracing, which the photo above now shows.

I don't know anything specific to this new offering, other than it's going to be expensive as a complete turnkey solution with an engine build! No doubt some people will try it out on a stock engine. Sprintex have some concerns over valve springs, even on the current kit.

Let's blow some more hot air into this engine :)

At low RPM though bro.

About that life eh? :lol:

There is no need to have an engine build to run a larger blower. Run a the appropriate amount of boost and timing for your particular fuel and you are set with a blower that flows more at a lower rpm and blows much less heat into the motor.

The bigger blower does not bolt to the current manifold

It looks like it has to be a different intake manifold.

Could you spin this charger at a lower rate than the 210 and benefit from lower temps at the same boost level?

Not sure if it works that way and doubt many people would get a larger blower for those reasons.

Can't wait to see what this thing does on a prepped engine.

I do not see why the intake manifold has to be different; the outlet wedge should be the same size and the bolt pattern looks to be the same on both images.

Not saying this is what will happen on our motor but here is an idea of what a 1.6L whipple twin screw is capable of. He has lower boost pump gas charts towards the bottom.

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/car-b...rew-build.html

It doesn't have to be, just by drawing some lines in MS paint it looks to have slightly different dimensions where the compressor bolts up to the manifold. However, who knows if these are to scale side by side.

does soon mean as long as a wait as the original unicorn?? or maybe this one will be fast to production since they have already test the first one and this is just a bigger blower?

The mounting pattern seems to be identical from the sprintex drawings.

Well I imagine if you want to sell your old core you'd need to include the manifold. I'm assuming the manifold isn't too expensive. Sprintex only means higher $$$ for us in the USA.
@xjohnx are you running the 70mm pulley? Now that the intercooler is out, I'm tempted but wanted to hold off until the spring.

I've got it, but am not running it.

I am petty sure this is like the innovate super charger. sprintex, innovate and one other compay partnered up

Yes this is well known.

Sprintex makes the kits. Sprintex distributes it in AUS, Innovate in US and Cusco in Japan.

Right I see. pretty cool. so this thread geared toward only Australian market? I'm on my phone I probably missed it lol

There is no way they wouldn't find a distributor for it in the US. I don't think they would want to exclude that market.

That being said, there are obviously ways of getting sprintex-only parts. FA20club intercooler for example. Grey market is real.

You always forget our little island!

My next upgrade is here.. weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Coming from the R53 mini crowd, sprintex makes an upgrade kit for the R53 that has been getting mixed reviews. One of the reputed mini shops RMW is actually working on a TVS roots blower, which is supposed to be pretty darned good. I'd like to see a PD SC kit with a TVS 900.


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We have an email re these kits direct from Sprintex, I am of the opinion to run the bigger blower will require a built motor.

I am very worried about hurting the con rods with to much boost at low engine RPM speed.

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We are happy with the efficency of the charge cooler system on our development car , we are also looking at measure IAT before the SC and the charged air after the charger to help build a added Race Rom map for better control of IAT compensations;

The Bigger charger will make our cars fly with a built motor.

We hope to have an upgraded charger very soon for development

Bent rods owch!

how much boost was that then? and at what rpm?

guess that means i'm out on this upgrade if its really going to be strongly advised you build the motor. Not going down that road again.

I'm considering doing a light lower build with a new base block; rods, bearings and studs.

What was your experience with a build?

Its not on the same platform so it doesn't hold value here, but I rather stay on a stock motor. I built an EJ and spent a lot of money only to have to pull it out again for a teardown. Don't ever really see high mileage motor builds rolling around.

Could be way different for this motor, but its just not something I'd personally go through again lol.

I was hoping this upgraded unit would be a step up in power but not to the motor build point. Maybe on lower boost I could pull it off, but we have to wait and see.

I would just run a low boost pulley on the larger unit. Target the same boost that the small blower was putting out. The result would be less hot air and it wouldn't get winded up top as it isn't spinning anywhere near it's redline? All speculation at this point but it should make sense. Maybe the gains are not really worth all that trouble/$.

They are saying built motor to cover their ass. Based on what others have achieved with the motor, I would run it as is. But, with the knowledge I have signicantly increased the risk of engine/driveline failure; as you have with any FI kit.

I certainly wouldn't pre-emptively build the motor.

Big blower + built toda stroker motor = win

People wants moar pawar
Kit provides moar pawar
Kit needs engine build to support moar pawar.
People call it fault:thumbdown:

Thats my intention if its possible :)

True, but this supercharger = instant power down low. I know turbos are making power down low but they still need to build boost and will place less stress on the motor. Someone correct me if i'm wrong here, but thats my assumption on it lol.

If this thing can make like 350whp without overstressing, I really think its going to get a LOT of attention.

Why can't there be an interlock between the tach and a blowoff valve that prevents the excess boost at low RPM, and feeds it in at higher RPM?

that can't be that damn hard to engineer. Certainly it's cheaper than new rods!

You could just limit the max throttle opening at low rpm, via the tune.

Remember, since an SC runs off the engine directly, it takes power to make power. 250HP at the crank might require 300HP worth of stress with 50HP going to run the blower. That plus lower rpm=engine problems. A larger blower will mean more friction, more mass, and more effort to spin for the same HP, at least much of the time. For most people, the smaller blower will probably be better, and remember, you can always twin charge!

Maybe because that defeats the whole purpose of a twin screw blower that makes instant boost? Lol

They make those, it's called vortech and rotrex.