Originally Posted by TylerLieberman (Post 1288778)

100% of my post was sarcasm

Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 1288996)

being experienced has nothing to do with a car being fast. also, that makes no sense at all. why are you losing control if you are understeering but maintain control when you are oversteering?

Originally Posted by Diode Dynamics (Post 1289079)

You drifted a 93 Suburban?

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Originally Posted by Suberman (Post 1288677)

Understeer is always safer. Understeer is always quicker.

ALL modern road cars understeer at the limit. Only excess engine torque can induce oversteer in a road car. There are those who claim some cars, particularly fwd hot hatches, will oversteer but this is technically inaccurate. Drop throttle induced oversteer is not a result of chassis behaviour or characteristics but of deliberate driver induced instability and is of very little use for quick road driving. Ditto inducing oversteer in our gloved BRZ. That's just poor driving to be honest.

Unless there's too much power for the drive wheels to put down onto the road fwd will always be quicker.

Only when the engine torque significantly overwhelms the drive wheel traction will rwd be quicker.

There is a myth that rwd is "better" but it just isn't.

The only real advantage rwd has in a low powered car is driving feel.

The oversteer you get in the BRZ actually slows the car down significantly. Better tires are the answer to get what little power there is down onto the road and driving the car forwards. Sideways may be exciting but it is very slow.

Originally Posted by stugray (Post 1290598)

I want whatever you are smoking! You have almost everything you said backwards. You never want a racecar that understeers.

Originally Posted by PR FR-S (Post 1290281)

That should be a great High School Senior type of car...

Originally Posted by stugray (Post 1290598)

I want whatever you are smoking! You have almost everything you said backwards. You never want a racecar that understeers.

As for the RWD vs FWD in the snow.
My last supra (RWD no TC) was 100% useless in the snow.
If there was more than 1 inch of snow, I just stayed home from work.
My next car was a Solara (FWD w/ TC) and I could go ANYWHERE in the snow. I once witnessed a 4WD jeep spinning its wheels trying to climb up an icy hill.
I went right around him in the Solara w/ TC and up the hill with him watching me and cussing.

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 1290751)

100% guarantee his tires were worn down all the way (or close to). Otherwise that physically makes no sense. Not to take away from your Solara's snow capabilities.

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 1290751)

100% guarantee his tires were worn down all the way (or close to). Otherwise that physically makes no sense. Not to take away from your Solara's snow capabilities.

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 1290780)

Doubtful.

A computers ability to regulate power > your right foot.

Originally Posted by chrisl (Post 1290782)

Well, of course. Good snow tires are far more important than which wheels are driven for a car's snow capability. Given equal tires, 4/AWD is best, followed by FWD, followed by RWD. Yes, a RWD car with good snow tires is very capable in the snow (plenty adequate for most people's needs), but FWD is still preferable. Clearance is also important if you ever need to drive on unplowed roads - as soon as you start dragging the bottom of the car in the snow, it's a lot harder to go anywhere.

Originally Posted by regal (Post 1290235)

The difference is when you push a FWD car too far you end up in a wreck, while RWD gives you a heads up.

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 1290785)

Computers and right foot are useless when comparing good tires to shit tires.

That's part of why bragging about losing a Ferrari or 911 in the twisties on the road or track is silly as well, the nut behind the wheel has way more to do with performance (and maintenance of the car) than the car itself.

Yeah half the time the Prius next to me gets off the light quicker, does that mean that he's a better driver or his car is faster? Probably not, but I wonder if sometimes they pop on the internet and say "lol I beat an FRS at the stoplight today, what a slow car!"