Subaru's new engine FA 16 DIT: 1.6L Turbo 240Hp
 

Info form Japan suggest that a new wagon based on the Impreza is going to feature a new engine called FA 16 DIT. It's a 1.6L Direct Injection Turbo engine producing 240 Hp.

Now, it seems to me that an engine like that could fit in the twins fairly easy and the smaller displacement would mean that the car wouldn't gain that much weight.

Sounds like a fairly power upgrade to me.

Source? There's also posts on here talking about the AWD BRZ coming soon...

Just because it's smaller displacement doesn't mean it would take up less room in the engine bay.

Very interesting. Any word on torque as well as MPG for the new wagon?

Google returned this:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2543054

Seems legit, but details are scarce. This does make sense though when you consider how many countries are pushing for smaller displacement that meet strict environmental regulations.

Would you not be going backwards? 2.0L to a 1.6L, you would be better off buying a kit for the FA20 wouldn't you?

There is this say "There's no replacement for displacement"

Just my 2 Cents :)

They'd have to ditch something in order to accomodate this new wagon model. More likely it'd be an XV alternate engine. What other markets host the XV? In that mock-up those wheels look familiar...

A two month old rumor that never popped up here? I'm more surprised by that than anything else. 240 out of a 1.6L is ambitious, the MOPAR Abarth was pushing 200 out of a 1.4L, I'll be very impressed if Subaru can pull that off.

They also said the 86 would weigh 2,500 lbs :shrug:

Yes, we shall see, but I found some other recent references talking about the new 1.6L engine, I just don't know Japanese, and Google translate butchered it.

240hp from a turbo 1.6 would be something else.. The Ford Fiesta, by comparison, uses a turbo 1.6 using DI and gets right around 200hp. And if they are using a big turbo to make tons of boost, I wonder how they will control lag?

Will be interesting to get more details.

Is this about the new Impreza wagon or the idea of swapping into the twins?

It is a new wagon, but I don't see why Subaru/Toyota could not use this engine in a future FT86 vehicle. Just depends on what ends up being rumor and fact.

Is this not old news?

I remember seeing pics of a turbo 1.6fa block on here

Bottom mounted turbo and I'm pretty sure the discussion of swaps came up in that thread as well

Will look for when not on my phone

Why? The Formula Atlantic 4AGE 1.6L did 240hp NA decades ago. If they can get 100hp/L in theory, that means only 8psi to hit 240 from 160. A few of the Toyota 4AGs were modeled on the old Cosworth 1.6Ls. BMW made a boosted 1.5L dropping over 1,400hp.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M12"]BMW M12 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Making power is easy, any manufacturer can do it. If they don't it's because they choose to pursue some other performance metric.

I get that they can, but how many 1.6L 240+hp boosted engines have been sold and warrantied direct from the manufacturer in a mass produced car?

I think I remember reading where it is possible to get 400hp from a 1.6L, but I good luck getting a company like Toyota giving you this with a 60-100K mile warranty?

10 years ago sure the lag would have been horrendous, but with all the newer turbo tech coming along (variable geometry/twin scroll), it shouldn't be too bad. I still don't think it fits the character of the twins though. A super charger/KERS type hybrid would be better(IMO).

It would be interesting to see if this new engine acts as a step between the standard impreza and the wrx, 148hp vs 265hp.

Those engines also cost more then any of the twins, have a team dedicated to keeping them alive for one race at a time then taking them all apart and making sure they don't break during the next race. No exactly the kind of thing alot of manufacturers like to warranty. I also doubt they get very close to the 30mpg+ we get.

Built right, it could last longer than VTech or an M motor. I think cost and fuel economy would be the larger concerns tbh.

Agreed. IF you want lag, there's plenty of other cars to buy. Especially from Subaru.

I was thinking they would sell the 2.0 engine still but either offer a boosted 2.0 or 1.6 for an STI type version.

As far as modern turbos go, I recently owned a twin scroll 2.0T Gencoupe which made 274hp and 275ft lbs of torque. Throttle response was iffy.. It really depends when you punched it, but there could be noticeable delay sometimes. Nothing like previous turbos I had owned and driven, but still noticeable compared to a NA or supercharged engine.

I agree with you on supercharging. I personally would prefer a more linear buildup of hp/tq. The Gencoupe, for example made peak torque under 3000 rpm. And while it can be a blast sometimes, it also makes the car feel less predictable when you are in a turn and punch the gas.... You suddenly have max torque being pushed to your rear wheels...

Mercedes is gatting 355 horsepower with a peak or should I say, a plateau of 332 lb-ft of torque from 2250 to 5000 rpm from a 2.0-liter engine in the CLA 45 AMG.

That's amazing...

FA20 develops 100hp/liter naturally aspirated.

A 1.6 liter making 240hp equals like 150ish hp/liter with boost. Doesn't seem to far fetched. There are other production cars that make more.

I don't think it would be 240hp though. It's achievable but it makes me question longevity and reliability coming from such a small motor.

Yes, but your taking about a car that starts just under $50K..

Ya, that motor is no joke :D, but then again.....all AMG motors are "handbuild"....+ I don't think Mercedes owners are gonna complain about reliability of their car pass 50k miles since they will be on the next one.

Those motors lasted 500-1,000 miles on a good day (some didn't make it through the first practice session, the M12 definitely had some reliability issues), this is something designed to last for (ideally) 200,000 miles. I didn't say impossible, just said that I doubt they could do it. I would think 220 is possible, 200 is more likely.

Actually, of all engines out there that subaru has and are developing, I see this one as the perfect, and most sensible, one for them to throw into the BRZ. Lots of cars these days offer a larger N/A and a smaller turbo engine as an option. I wouldn't be surprised if this did happen. Moreover, this would assist in keeping its fuel economy where they want it at.

I think this is a much likelier option than a hybrid system or a bigger NA motor.

That being said, if Toyota has anything to say about it, it probably won't see production. Especially considering their contract with Subaru regarding the twins.

Its exactly 150/liter, which is exactly what an Evo has (300hp/2 liter). I can't speak from experience about those motors but mitsubishi has been getting 270+ out of 2 liters for quite a while now. I don't think reliability would be an issue at 150/liter.

MMM have you heard of the M133DE20AL? I suggest you look that up.

Your point?

FIAT is doing 240 (and 260lb/ft) w/ 1.7L. Really not that big of deal at all. Rumour has it they limited output at the time due to weaknesses in their DCT.

How about the engine/powertrain in this:

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/toy...-and-info-news

You are questioning the reliability of a 1.6l 240hp motor...i am pointing to a 350hp 2.0l..anyway

Nice motor.

Hood scoop for the 86?

Meh... I'd rather just boost my 2.0L

I was going to bring this engine up as well (The Formula Atlantic).

My S/C MR2 was a 1.6 (4AGZE) and I had a legit 180 wheel HP, So I would guess around 200 at crank...
Why is this relevant?
My S/C MR2 was made in 1988.

With forged internals and an aluminum block, you can do amazing things.
Heck...the S2000 was 2.0 liter with 240 hp...

So yeah, its certainly doable.

Reliability and mass production and cost...

That old adage...

Fast, inexpensive, reliable....Pick two.

There is already a FA20 DIT in production, which makes 300PS (~296hp)

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http://www.subaru.jp/legacy/touringw....0-gt-dit.html

So 240PS from the 1.6L version seems about right.

looks like they addressed the claims of nowhere to put a turbo

The 1.6DIT was released and on display over a year ago, more details to come.