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(Stealth Inc.) 04-11-2012 10:43 PM

Roll cage
 
I am considering putting a rollcage in the FR-S when i get it, It will become my track/street car. is anybody else thinking of going with a rollcage?

86design 04-11-2012 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by (Stealth Inc.) (Post 181022)
I am considering putting a rollcage in the FR-S when i get it, It will become my track/street car. is anybody else thinking of going with a rollcage?


already ahead of you....of course your probably getting a custom roll cage done...but I'm getting Cusco 6pt roll cage should be here end of May :D

fatoni 04-11-2012 11:14 PM

If you plan to street at all, don't get a cage

(Stealth Inc.) 04-11-2012 11:18 PM

i was looking at L*Con to do a rollcage for me but, i'll take a look at Cusco i didn't know they had anthing out for the frs.

(Stealth Inc.) 04-11-2012 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 181036)
If you plan to street at all, don't get a cage

explanation please.

fatoni 04-11-2012 11:24 PM

a cage is a part of a safety system. using parts of a system dont yeild very good results. with out a 5/6pt belt, helmet and a maybe even a hans device, a cage is only going to impair safety. cages arent street legal afaik and its for a good reason. your unprotected skull wouldnt stand a chance from even the slowest of impacts against a rollcage

Draco-REX 04-11-2012 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by (Stealth Inc.) (Post 181040)
explanation please.

The problem is with the roof bars. They are closer to your head than the roof. In a crash, you run the risk of hitting your head against them and doing more damage.

That is one of the main differences between the M and SA ratings of helmets. An SA rated helmet needs to take multiple hits to replicate the impacts against a cage during a roll over.

Bar pads are not dependable protection as they have no standards for safety.

Like airbags and seatbelts working together, a cage is only a part of complete safety system (cage, helmet, harness.) And not having the complete system working together can be more dangerous than not having it at all.

(Stealth Inc.) 04-11-2012 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 181051)
a cage is a part of a safety system. using parts of a system dont yeild very good results. with out a 5/6pt belt, helmet and a maybe even a hans device, a cage is only going to impair safety. cages arent street legal afaik and its for a good reason. your unprotected skull wouldnt stand a chance from even the slowest of impacts against a rollcage

i've taken that in to consideration, i was thinking about getting something that didn't go over my head like the porsche GT3RS's cage. opinions please.

Thank you for you advice.

fatoni 04-11-2012 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by (Stealth Inc.) (Post 181069)
i've taken that in to consideration, i was thinking about getting something that didn't go over my head like the porsche GT3RS's cage. opinions please.

Thank you for you advice.

Not sure to be honest. What are you trying to accomplish? A modern car is going to have sufficient roll protection. I would imagine you would be wasting weight and money on such a thing but to each his own. It just seems to me that your head is pretty important so a roll cage not around that anatomy isn't doing much

Dimman 04-11-2012 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by (Stealth Inc.) (Post 181040)
explanation please.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3762

This has been already discussed.

ichitaka05 04-12-2012 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Draco-REX (Post 181061)
The problem is with the roof bars. They are closer to your head than the roof. In a crash, you run the risk of hitting your head against them and doing more damage.

That is one of the main differences between the M and SA ratings of helmets. An SA rated helmet needs to take multiple hits to replicate the impacts against a cage during a roll over.

Bar pads are not dependable protection as they have no standards for safety.

Like airbags and seatbelts working together, a cage is only a part of complete safety system (cage, helmet, harness.) And not having the complete system working together can be more dangerous than not having it at all.

Man, I learn this from experience... those pads protect from hitting yourself going in & out, that's pretty much it

M-17 04-12-2012 01:08 AM

I'm adding a roll cage once all my warranties are out the door. :D

Dave-ROR 04-12-2012 02:36 AM

Cusco death cage? Ugh safer to remove all the sheet metal and sit on rubber bands that go between the front and rear subframe.

Are you guys talking about 4 point bars or 6+point cages? Big difference. A cage on a street car is dumb.

When I'm on a computer instead of an iPad I'll reply more.

Draco: really SA is for the fire resistant materials.

Draco-REX 04-12-2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 181211)
Draco: really SA is for the fire resistant materials.

Part of it, I'm sure. Hmm..

Found it on the Snell site.

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Snell Standards specific question

What are the differences between the SA, M and K standards?

The SA standard was designed for competitive auto racing while the M standard was for motorcycling and other motorsports. The K standard was released to accommodate helmets used in karting. There are three major differences between them:
  • The SA standard requires flammability test while the M and K standards do not.
  • The SA and K standards allow for a narrower visual field than the M standard (Some SA and K certified helmets may not be street legal).
  • The SA and K standards include a rollbar multi-impact test while the M standard does not.



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