Any 1 thinking that they may not get either car?
 

Please, don't flame. I just want to hear some other opinions.

For me, I want a BRZ WRB Premium Manual. That's it. Nothing else. I like the FR-S but don't want an almost $30K Scion (with options OTD). Just me.

It's a car that I plan to keep for some time to come, not a pair of sneakers that I use to jog with for 6 months and buy a fresh pair. I am very flexible with color combination in running shoes (and other items). No so with cars.

With only 500 units imported monthly and almost 600 US dealers, the average dealer will receive about 1 car per month. Some will receive zero some months.

With all the initial hype and pre-orders, it will most likely be at least a year until I can get the exact BRZ that I want.

I don't know about many of you, but too me, a lot happens in 12 months and I'm sure something else may catch my eye. Maybe not, but at least it's a possibility. I'm already feeling like it's compromise what I really want or get no 86. Neither option makes me happy at the moment.

I went to two Subaru Dealers here in South FL (3 visits total) and both knew very little about the car and much less about what will arrive.

The only thing they did know is that they have a whole list of customers to call who will most likely jump on any BRZ on their lot. The managers even showed me the lists (not that I asked to see it).

I must be the only one who feels this way as I haven't seen any threads on this. Totally backing out of the 86. Most others are so committed, the only concern is FRS or BRZ.

Either I'm the only one who feels this way or I'm the only one who feels this way "now".

Time will show.

Anyone else not happy happy about the small allocation where it may affect a purchse?

Wait 3 months and then reflect on your current understanding as of now. Hype dies down and inventory will increase to meet demand. Its just a matter of time before these things will be sitting on lots without someone already tied to the deal.

Yeah, I can't understand why Subaru wants to limit production. Is the issue that they are not able to crank them out fast enough or they just choose to limit it so its more exclusive? Scion doesn't seem to have the same issue. I guess I'll be getting a FR-S around summer time.

Subaru is making all 3 models at the same plant. So any supply issues are all due to Subaru. Most likely Toyota entered the deal with an understanding of being provided at a mininum x number of units annually for markets. Likely this agreement provides the majority of the units to Toyota as globally it has a much larger foot print. Subaru is a rather minor brand in comparison compared to the larger players. Therefore one can infer that Subaru's sales target is simply lower as they assess what kind of demand there is for their unique model.

Give it some patience, I can guarantee that Subaru is ramping up production despite what they say in press releases. Too big of an opportunity for the car maker to not.

I was considering dropping the BRZ-L and getting something else but the price came in within the range I was fine with so pending test drive, I'm not jumping ship.

It probably helps that I'm first on my dealers list, which is the largest Subaru in FL also, and am getting exactly what I want, hopefully very early next month.

Nice post OP, my thoughts exactly. I think car is just not a good value in any trim, especially with the markups on the BRZ that will happen. I think if I do get this car, it will be the STI version a few years down the road. Current car is too expensive for what it is, not enough HP, and the supply issue has pushed me out of the market for one, considering I won't pay MSRP, and I'd need to test drive the car first. I'm going to start looking into a 370z or some other sport coupe. Perhaps a used cayman.

If you can wait till 2014/2015 model year you might get 0.9% financing and or lower than MSRP pricing on left-overs from the previous year.

but if your like me and you WANT the BRZ NOW((May/June/JULY))
then MSRP is the best you can get... if you are able to pre-order from
a dealership and get a VON on PAPER that states "MSRP only price "
with the salesmen signature on it.

Its beginning to look like I will create a Mutual Fund account, put my car payment into that for the next five years and wait until I can afford to buy a car outright.

I saw a report yesterday that said there were about a thousand pre-orders for the BRZs in the US right now. Well, that's only a fraction of the total allocation- so you should be able to pre-order and get one within the first third of the production cycle, imo, if you order from a dealer that doesn't have many orders yet. (Maybe you haveto go out of state to find one- who knows. if you really want one, it's worth it to drive a state or two to get it.)

Well not everyone is paying MSRP (or higher) :)

OP, a couple of things.

1) What dealers did you go to? I have a pre-order with Subaru of North Broward for the EXACT car I want #2 at the dealer.

2) Really, the pre-orders should be fulfilled within the first three months, there is no way you would have to wait a year. There is a lot of hype being built up that is going to be super hard to get this car. After 3 moths or so, I bet you it won't be that hard.

3) I also went shopping around some dealers that knew nothing, but keep going around and you will get one that will work with you. I am paying MSRP not a penny more, written in my pre-order paper.

Is it me, or does it make NO sense this bullcrap that car allocations per dealer for pre-orders will be from May to November, spread out so that they don't arrive at the same time, BUT every month 500 BRZs will make it to USA?

There are about 1,000 pre-orders so in 3 months all pre-orders should have been fulfilled, not far away in November.... right?

Keeping it "limited" was a buzz-word in their marketing pamphlet. Beneath the hype, Subaru will essentially try to keep supply on par with demand. If demand exceeds supply or supply exceeds demand, that's a loss. Econ 101.

Same for Scion. It will be an exclusive halo car; they just don't market it that way.

That's directly from Subaru and it makes sense. It's a *fair* way to distribute the cars. If one dealer is getting 70 and one is getting 7, then it makes sense that every month one gets 10 and the other gets 1. It wouldn't make sense to give that one dealer all 7 and the one that gets 70 only 3 cars, and the opposite is also true.

I understand that, but that is not my argument. My argument is this. If in 3 months we are supposed to get 1500 BRZ in USA, doesn't that cover all pre-orders?

I am assuming of course, that the first cars to arrive to the states are for pre-orders. Makes no sense that there will be pre-orders to be fulfilled but there will be BRZs sitting in a lot because a dealer is a high volume dealer.

So back to my initial argument, if you fulfill the entire USA pre-order quantity in the first 3 months, what are they going to do with the 500 cars incoming the next month?

Yeah. I'm waiting a year for finances. Or just get a low mileage mr2 or miata or s2k.

I haven't seen proof of that 1,000 number either, so unless I missed the article (completely possible) it could be 5000 pre orders, or it could be 500. Who knows.. someone at Subaru does but that's it as far as I know.

The first cars are for pre orders IF the dealer has a pre order for that allocation.

Example:
Dealership gets 7 cars and 1 is pre ordered. Months 2-7 are random examples that sit on the lot until purchase.

Now, same dealership allocation, 7 cars and all 7 is pre ordered. Unless someone backs out that dealer will not have a car sitting on the lot, and the pre orders won't all be filled until December when that 7th car arrives and is sold.

Second example (obviously blown out of proportion):
Dealership gets 700 BRZs and therefore gets 100 a month. They have 10 preorders. 90 cars in that first month will sit on the lot to be sold. The dealership across town with 7 cars and 7 preorders will be WAITING for it's pre order cars to come in, or could do dealer trades.

They are distributed based on the allocation. The *only* thing a pre order does is give Subaru the ability to make a best effort at getting that customer the car they want in the order the dealer placed pre orders against their allocation. Pre orders will not be filled first simple because they are pre orders on a country wide scale, only at the dealership level.

I doubt there will be any shortage of cars after the first month of availability.

Yeah, you are right that the 1000 pre-ordered number is for sure wrong and for all we know it might be 5K. But, your first example is troublesome to me... IMHO, it is unfair that the possibility even exists that pre-order people might have to wait for the car at a dealer in say Montana, while a dealer in California has 3 in the lot collecting dust.

Well I doubt they'll be collecting dust anytime soon :)

According to Subaru that is exactly how it's going to be done. They specifically addressed that having pre orders does not change the timeline for that dealerships cars. 0 pre orders or 100% pre orders, the schedule doesn't change.

It was just a saying, obviously they will not collect dust. Maybe I rephrase it to say non pre-order customer with car in hands before a pre-order customer.

I know whatcha meant.

I doubt most sales in the first year are pre orders, simply because of the leap of faith to commit (and a deposit is a commitment, even if it's just a mental/emotional one) without pricing, test drives, etc.

There will be plenty of people who find the car via reviews, seeing them around, etc and will walk in and buy those cars. It's not fair to the large dealers to prevent that by allocating 100% pre orders first, and it's really not fair to the low volume guys either.. all there cars in the first month or two and then "Come back in January..." it's much better for them to have them spread out so they can say "We'll be getting 2 next month, I can call you when they come in".

The only people who get screwed by this are the ones high on the list of a low volume dealer, but that accounts for a much lower percentage than those who benefit. The dealership group I'm with is getting 26 cars IIRC between their two locations, so over 7 months that's almost 4 cars a month. If you go with a dealer that has 3 allocations and your number 3, don't expect the car until September. Sucks, sure, but you could always cancel and drive up to Tampa and get one in July sitting on the lot.

You make good points, and it does make sense. I don't think my pre-order dealer is large volume and I really haven't asked about allocation. Then again, there is no large Subaru dealer in SoFla. :iono:

Pompano Beach has 3. Not sure about anyone else down there. Sport Subaru in Orlando has 7. Bert Smtih in St Pete near Tampa "didn't know" and Reeves in Tampa refused to answer :P

Call around down there and see, hell you might be able to find another dealer :)

Food for thought: over on the scion side, 53 of 86 'first 86 winners' are registered posters on this site.

The official BRZ preorder thread has 'only' 162 entries and dwarfs similar threads on other BRZ forums.

The implication is a fairly low number of BRZ preorders.

Oh well, you have my answer. I am second at Pompano. Can I ask how do you know?

Thanks ;)

Heresay sorta, the SoA rep told one of the guys at the dealership here that Pompano was getting 3 and having that big "test drive" event at Star Bucks.

One thing is that the dealer can promise you that you will have dibs on their second BRZ but how can they guarantee that the second one to arrive will indeed be the one built to your spec. I have a feeling that dealers will get what they get initially then, a few months in, they may get specific cars.

Others are really not noticing the fact that it 1 car a month per dealer. 500 allocated a month decided by around 600 dealers. I'm really not believing dealers getting 70 plus a month.


Very similar thoughts here. My point was that by the time I can get the one that I want their will be other offerings. I have the itch to buy now. Im not a racer, so it's not like I need this car as a tool for my trade lol.

I'm like you. Would one considering waiting till 2015 start a thread like this to vent? :lol:


By far the best way to buy cars. My last 3 cars were all bought this way and it drove the dealers crazy. No interest.

I went to "Subaru of pembroke pines" and "Lehman Subaru".

Personally, I don't think demand will die down. We are talking about 500 cars a month. Less than 1 per dealer in average allocation. I have a hard time believing that any dealer will have a hard time finding a single buyer ever month for the brz. Even at a single buyer per dealer, it will equal higher demand than allocation. Imagine the situation when we think of things realistically? Even at 5 orders per dealer per month it's equals 5 times the allocation.

Camrys, corollas, civics, f150s...sell between 15k to 28k units per month. Here, we are talking about 500 on an actual hot item. Impractical, but hot. I'm sure 500 is too small of a number to meet defend.

There are still heaps of people who haven't heard or seen these cars yet. Issue will only get worse.

Checking out your list of cars, I don't even want to attempt to bet you, but...I will remind you of this statement. :thumbup:

The dealer that had the test drive was not Pompano, it was Pembrooke Pines. Maybe you are confusing them and Pembrooke is the one with 3?

I went to both of them too, and Pembrooke did not want/know how to pre-order. I actually saw the car and sat in it at Lehman. But the manager wanted 500 non-refundable deposit. I ordered at Pompano.

No one is getting 70 a month. Who ever said that?

Not every dealer will get 1 a month. Some will get 1 during the 7 month cycle. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some that get 0 during the 7 month cycle.

Subaru is making a best effort to ship out cars that match the pre orders in order of the dealer's allocation. Best effort is the key word as they aren't saying it's a sure bet. However, they are filling a dealers pre orders when possible BEFORE the dealers open allocation.

Oops sorry, you are right. For whatever reason Pompano was in my head.

I think by August. The demand will be less, and be easier to get the car that we want.

And dealers in bigger cities will get more allotment. But that doesn't mean a smaller dealership can't order the car from the bigger dealership

Where are you located?

Tampa.

I'm in the process of canceling my preorder. I did the math and in California, my limited brz with options will be from 31-32k OTD... That's awfully close to a 370z which you can get below MSRP. I can afford it but It's not a good value to me anymore. I'll probably buy a used car and sit on the sidelines until this car gets more power.

If you haven't pre-ordered and your local dealers have lists (w/o deposits?) then you may have a tough time getting the color/model you want locally in the first few months. A bunch of us have been following this car for over a year now. Some have moved on, while others put down deposits on Mar 1 to get in line at their dealer.

I had followed another car - the CT200h - 2 years ago. When it finally came to market not quite what I wanted, I moved on - and latched on to the BRZ. Been following it closely for the past year and I still want it - so without sitting in one (or even seeing one yet in person!) I put a deposit down.

If I were to pass on this, I might latch on to the next gen WRX or even Mustang - but both are vaporware right now as far as any detail leaks go, so that could be another 18+ months to see if I even like what they make.

I put my deposit in with a dealer that had an initial allocation of just 2 units between now and November, and with me being 3rd in line, I think would've meant that I'd be waiting until at least November to see one. However I just got off the phone with my rep (a former coworker) and he said their allocation may have increased since the announcement of 100,000 global units/yr worldwide for all three models. I feel like now that Subaru knows this car will be very hot (after getting nearly 5x the pre-orders anticipated), they'll focus on building enough to meet demand and maximize profit.

From my perspective, I want to get mine mid-summer when my lease is up. I'm enjoying a brilliant car that I'm in no rush to get out of. And if I have to wait, I can drive something else in the interim so I don't really mind the whole supply/demand situation. Those who want it the most will be patient enough to get one, and be truly rewarded by this amazing machine!

1. I'm waiting for second model year hoping any bugs will be identified and solved.

2. I'm waiting for a more powerful version (e.g., Sti) or a factory FI kit so the thing can get out of its own way.

This very well sorted sports car, but these two issues will keep it from becoming truly great, and neither issue will be addressed (or so it seems ) in 2013.

Because the Miata is the biggest failure in the automotive industry amirite????