I understand that, but that is not my argument. My argument is this. If in 3 months we are supposed to get 1500 BRZ in USA, doesn't that cover all pre-orders?

I am assuming of course, that the first cars to arrive to the states are for pre-orders. Makes no sense that there will be pre-orders to be fulfilled but there will be BRZs sitting in a lot because a dealer is a high volume dealer.

So back to my initial argument, if you fulfill the entire USA pre-order quantity in the first 3 months, what are they going to do with the 500 cars incoming the next month?

Yeah. I'm waiting a year for finances. Or just get a low mileage mr2 or miata or s2k.

I haven't seen proof of that 1,000 number either, so unless I missed the article (completely possible) it could be 5000 pre orders, or it could be 500. Who knows.. someone at Subaru does but that's it as far as I know.

The first cars are for pre orders IF the dealer has a pre order for that allocation.

Example:
Dealership gets 7 cars and 1 is pre ordered. Months 2-7 are random examples that sit on the lot until purchase.

Now, same dealership allocation, 7 cars and all 7 is pre ordered. Unless someone backs out that dealer will not have a car sitting on the lot, and the pre orders won't all be filled until December when that 7th car arrives and is sold.

Second example (obviously blown out of proportion):
Dealership gets 700 BRZs and therefore gets 100 a month. They have 10 preorders. 90 cars in that first month will sit on the lot to be sold. The dealership across town with 7 cars and 7 preorders will be WAITING for it's pre order cars to come in, or could do dealer trades.

They are distributed based on the allocation. The *only* thing a pre order does is give Subaru the ability to make a best effort at getting that customer the car they want in the order the dealer placed pre orders against their allocation. Pre orders will not be filled first simple because they are pre orders on a country wide scale, only at the dealership level.

I doubt there will be any shortage of cars after the first month of availability.

Yeah, you are right that the 1000 pre-ordered number is for sure wrong and for all we know it might be 5K. But, your first example is troublesome to me... IMHO, it is unfair that the possibility even exists that pre-order people might have to wait for the car at a dealer in say Montana, while a dealer in California has 3 in the lot collecting dust.

Well I doubt they'll be collecting dust anytime soon :)

According to Subaru that is exactly how it's going to be done. They specifically addressed that having pre orders does not change the timeline for that dealerships cars. 0 pre orders or 100% pre orders, the schedule doesn't change.

It was just a saying, obviously they will not collect dust. Maybe I rephrase it to say non pre-order customer with car in hands before a pre-order customer.

I know whatcha meant.

I doubt most sales in the first year are pre orders, simply because of the leap of faith to commit (and a deposit is a commitment, even if it's just a mental/emotional one) without pricing, test drives, etc.

There will be plenty of people who find the car via reviews, seeing them around, etc and will walk in and buy those cars. It's not fair to the large dealers to prevent that by allocating 100% pre orders first, and it's really not fair to the low volume guys either.. all there cars in the first month or two and then "Come back in January..." it's much better for them to have them spread out so they can say "We'll be getting 2 next month, I can call you when they come in".

The only people who get screwed by this are the ones high on the list of a low volume dealer, but that accounts for a much lower percentage than those who benefit. The dealership group I'm with is getting 26 cars IIRC between their two locations, so over 7 months that's almost 4 cars a month. If you go with a dealer that has 3 allocations and your number 3, don't expect the car until September. Sucks, sure, but you could always cancel and drive up to Tampa and get one in July sitting on the lot.

You make good points, and it does make sense. I don't think my pre-order dealer is large volume and I really haven't asked about allocation. Then again, there is no large Subaru dealer in SoFla. :iono:

Pompano Beach has 3. Not sure about anyone else down there. Sport Subaru in Orlando has 7. Bert Smtih in St Pete near Tampa "didn't know" and Reeves in Tampa refused to answer :P

Call around down there and see, hell you might be able to find another dealer :)

Food for thought: over on the scion side, 53 of 86 'first 86 winners' are registered posters on this site.

The official BRZ preorder thread has 'only' 162 entries and dwarfs similar threads on other BRZ forums.

The implication is a fairly low number of BRZ preorders.

Oh well, you have my answer. I am second at Pompano. Can I ask how do you know?

Thanks ;)

Heresay sorta, the SoA rep told one of the guys at the dealership here that Pompano was getting 3 and having that big "test drive" event at Star Bucks.

One thing is that the dealer can promise you that you will have dibs on their second BRZ but how can they guarantee that the second one to arrive will indeed be the one built to your spec. I have a feeling that dealers will get what they get initially then, a few months in, they may get specific cars.

Others are really not noticing the fact that it 1 car a month per dealer. 500 allocated a month decided by around 600 dealers. I'm really not believing dealers getting 70 plus a month.


Very similar thoughts here. My point was that by the time I can get the one that I want their will be other offerings. I have the itch to buy now. Im not a racer, so it's not like I need this car as a tool for my trade lol.

I'm like you. Would one considering waiting till 2015 start a thread like this to vent? :lol:


By far the best way to buy cars. My last 3 cars were all bought this way and it drove the dealers crazy. No interest.

I went to "Subaru of pembroke pines" and "Lehman Subaru".

Personally, I don't think demand will die down. We are talking about 500 cars a month. Less than 1 per dealer in average allocation. I have a hard time believing that any dealer will have a hard time finding a single buyer ever month for the brz. Even at a single buyer per dealer, it will equal higher demand than allocation. Imagine the situation when we think of things realistically? Even at 5 orders per dealer per month it's equals 5 times the allocation.

Camrys, corollas, civics, f150s...sell between 15k to 28k units per month. Here, we are talking about 500 on an actual hot item. Impractical, but hot. I'm sure 500 is too small of a number to meet defend.

There are still heaps of people who haven't heard or seen these cars yet. Issue will only get worse.

Checking out your list of cars, I don't even want to attempt to bet you, but...I will remind you of this statement. :thumbup: