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Wes 09-25-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by randel_07 (Post 1233323)
Do the side markers flash along with the turn signals? I don't think I've ever noticed the side markers flashing.

Nope it just lights up.


After reading this thread, I'm reconsidering getting amber leds now but I picked white.. fail lol

Cyau 09-25-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes (Post 1233344)
Nope it just lights up.


After reading this thread, I'm reconsidering getting amber leds now but I picked white.. fail lol


Lol, Ya I'm glad I got this clarified.

Turbowned 09-25-2013 03:25 PM

I picked up amber LED bulbs from Autozone. You don't see any amber when they're not illuminated. The clear sidemarkers shouldn't get you in any trouble.

mav1178 09-25-2013 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 86_ZN6 (Post 1232591)
smoke or clear markers are never illegal in california as long as they light out amber.

Not a California issue, this is a FMVSS Federal issue.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-201...sec571-108.pdf

Page 73 table 3 spells out the type of lighting allowed.

It should be noted that the side markers need to be amber. However, it is a blanket provision that covers both outside lighting (daylight) as well as inside lighting (night time). So to be fully covered, one needs to have a bulb that reflects enough yellow in broad daylight to meet this requirement.

A simple amber bulb won't be enough.

Anyone modifying with clear side markers would technically be in violation of this rule.

Source: I researched this topic 10 years ago when trying to gauge legality of OEM JDM turn signals and side markers for the S13.

-alex

Edit: Table 4 spells out location of each marker/light on the car.

mav1178 09-25-2013 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyau (Post 1232486)
Just wondering if anyone have EVER got pulled over for non amber sidemarker, not limited to the FRS/BRZ.

I know chances are not big, just out of curiosity. Also IF we get a ticket for it, any estimate on how much it would actually cost?

Usually this falls under a "Fix-It" ticket provision. Usually $10 admin fee if you fix it and have it signed off.

As for the ticket itself, the officer might cite you on VC 25100 in California, but the state law usually is just a repeat of the FMVSS that is applicable. In this case, FMVSS 108.

-alex

finch1750 09-25-2013 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 1233487)
Not a California issue, this is a FMVSS Federal issue.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-201...sec571-108.pdf

Page 73 table 3 spells out the type of lighting allowed.

It should be noted that the side markers need to be amber. However, it is a blanket provision that covers both outside lighting (daylight) as well as inside lighting (night time). So to be fully covered, one needs to have a bulb that reflects enough yellow in broad daylight to meet this requirement.

A simple amber bulb won't be enough.

Anyone modifying with clear side markers would technically be in violation of this rule.

Source: I researched this topic 10 years ago when trying to gauge legality of OEM JDM turn signals and side markers for the S13.

-alex

Edit: Table 4 spells out location of each marker/light on the car.

So an led that is bright enough to show during daytime is legal then based on that reasoning

CAMBAM_6 09-25-2013 04:31 PM

Turn signals are one thing but not all vehicles even have sidemarkers so i dont see how it would be illegal unless it was distracting other drivers in some way?! :iono:

edit **read some of the other responses and it makes sense now..lol

randel_07 09-25-2013 04:37 PM

so... am i understanding it correctly that only amber sidemarkers are legal in CA?
or... are clear sidemarkers with amber bulbs ok.

Frstorm 09-25-2013 04:37 PM

Cam- all cars must have side markers most wrap them around the front headlights

Steve201brz 09-25-2013 04:41 PM

From what I've read in this thread, in CA they must EMIT an amber light. The law is similar in NJ. I have smoked sidemarkers but fitted an amber bulb so at night it glows amber.
I don't understand why the physical color of the sidemarker should matter. During the day I never have my lights on and it's safe to say sidemarkers provide no extra visibility for other drivers. At night you can't even tell what color my sidemarkers are because all you see is amber light

My understanding is that clear sidemarkers are legal. What's illegal is the color of light emitted through them

86_ZN6 09-25-2013 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randel_07 (Post 1233578)
so... am i understanding it correctly that only amber sidemarkers are legal in CA?
or... are clear sidemarkers with amber bulbs ok.


clear with amber bulbs are OK in CA

Zagmeister 09-25-2013 06:41 PM

Clear Sidemarker​s with White Bulbs are OK in Illinois
 
Illinois Compiled Statutes 625 ILCS 5 Illinois Vehicle Code. Section 12-209


(625 ILCS 5/12-209) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 12-209)

Sec. 12-209. Additional Lighting Equipment.

(a) Any motor vehicle may be equipped with not more than 2 side cowl or fender lamps which shall emit an amber or white light without glare. :thumbsup:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I believe that you all should find the equivalent statute in your respective states, it may vary. States have "primacy" laws and regulations. :bow:

I added the Thumpsup for Illinois :w00t:

Frstorm 09-25-2013 07:57 PM

my state clear with amber led is legal

mav1178 09-25-2013 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 1233517)
So an led that is bright enough to show during daytime is legal then based on that reasoning

Correct. But as I stated before, the legality on a state level is up to interpretation. The legality on a federal level is not, which makes clear side markers illegal.

MotoRex R32 GT-Rs only needed a rear side marker (red) added to meet FMVSS 108 to be legal for import. R33/34s needed both front and rear added to be legal for import, EPA regulations aside.

For what we're debating, you can swap to clears without issue as long as the light bulbs are amber.

-alex


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