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Muskokan 09-19-2013 03:57 PM

Think I ruined the paint :(
 
Hey guys,

Like a complete idiot, I parked under a tree in a sketchy neighbourhood thinking more of concealment, aaaand you guessed it, I now have tree sap all over the hood. The day It happened I didn't get a chance to clean it right away, and by the next day after a gave it a good wash, there's yellow stains in my paint. It's not on too, you can't feel it, but there's little yellow dots!! My neighbour was just helping me, tried nu finish, auto detail spray, scratch remover, some soap my other neighbour swears by, and nothing could touch it :( any ideas?

Burrcold 09-19-2013 04:01 PM

Bring it to a detailer to get buffed.

zoomzoomers 09-19-2013 04:02 PM

Clay bar and a good wax/detail job should do it. If that won't work, you'll need to wet sand it.

Muskokan 09-19-2013 04:09 PM

Ohh okay, I'm new to the whole detailing thing. Was freaking out today because I thought my pearl white would never be the same, but ofcourse, I'll fix it with the flick of my wallet.

Thanks guys! Don't be parking under trees!

jadewbj 09-19-2013 04:19 PM

Try and park it out in direct sun. I had some yellow spots on mine and freaked out. My detailer told me to park it under direct sun for a few hours and viola, all gone.

Figo 09-19-2013 04:24 PM

use 93 fuel to clean it. Then clean with water, wax.

kykiee 09-19-2013 04:48 PM

Yea, I had tree sap on my car before. I just washed it and left it in the sun. All gone.

trinitron 09-20-2013 04:00 AM

Lol wash it and leave it in the sun for a few hours and they'll be gone

Grishbok 09-20-2013 05:14 AM

Sorry but "wash it and leave it in the sun" is terrible advice.

The tree sap is acidic and will discolor and eat clear coat VERY quick. Denatured alcohol is fantastic at eliminating tree sap, if you don't have that, a Dryer sheet and water will work great as well. Don't leave it in the sun. If you can at all avoid it being in direct sunlight, do so. Excessive surface temperature acts as a catalyst for chemical bonding and can exacerbate foreign materials damage to the paint.

OICU812 09-20-2013 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle (Post 1222985)
Stoners "Tarminator"

You can thank me later :D


I've used this, good advice it works.

Trap63 09-20-2013 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muskokan (Post 1222291)
Hey guys,

Like a complete idiot, I parked under a tree in a sketchy neighbourhood thinking more of concealment, aaaand you guessed it, I now have tree sap all over the hood. The day It happened I didn't get a chance to clean it right away, and by the next day after a gave it a good wash, there's yellow stains in my paint. It's not on too, you can't feel it, but there's little yellow dots!! My neighbour was just helping me, tried nu finish, auto detail spray, scratch remover, some soap my other neighbour swears by, and nothing could touch it :( any ideas?

"heavy nafta" is the main content in some wax ....is cheaper and a soft cleaner (some cents)

whaap 09-20-2013 08:12 AM

Could you possibly be confusing tree sap with rail rust?

Muskokan 09-21-2013 12:54 PM

Update: I can't even get this shit off with rubbing alcohol. I can't be sure what it is, but I assume it's sap of some sort because I got it after parking under a tree/bush and had all the leaves and junk on my car, upon removal, these small yellow stains that seem IN the paint. Ill snap a pic with my phone on my way out.

whaap 09-21-2013 02:16 PM

If your car was transported on a train you will have rail dust on your car. With time those tiny spots of metal dust will turn to rust. They are only visible on white cars. The dealerships are well aware of this and have a 'non-harmful' chemical wash they can apply that will remove any signs of it. I would be willing to bet that's what you have.

chulooz 09-21-2013 05:50 PM

Google is your friend. Some of the advice here is just terrible. Whaap is right, its sounding like your are discovering rail dust for the first time, clay bar is the solution. Google away, or autopia.org but dont dare start a new thread.

jadewbj 09-24-2013 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grishbok (Post 1223445)
Sorry but "wash it and leave it in the sun" is terrible advice.

The tree sap is acidic and will discolor and eat clear coat VERY quick. Denatured alcohol is fantastic at eliminating tree sap, if you don't have that, a Dryer sheet and water will work great as well. Don't leave it in the sun. If you can at all avoid it being in direct sunlight, do so. Excessive surface temperature acts as a catalyst for chemical bonding and can exacerbate foreign materials damage to the paint.

If you have already washed the car, clay bar and hand buff with wax and you still can feel it by running your finger over it them leaving it in the sun is a bad idea.

But if you have done all that and it feels smooth than there is no sap on there and it is most likely the yellow rail rust spots.

It may be "terrible" advice but I had the tiny yellow spots and freaked out about them. Called the guy who paint corrected and opticoated my car and he said to leave in the sun. Boom, they went away.

Tt3Sheppard 09-24-2013 05:33 PM

I've had this tree sap and yellow spots thing on my whiteout before time and time again since ownership. Seems to go away on its own with sunlight, rain, and car washing. Cleaner wax might help as well.

Muskokan 09-27-2013 04:18 PM

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UPDATE: week or two now, tried every product right down to alcohol and nail polish remover, been parked in the sun constantly, and they don't seem to be going anywhere. Took it to a detail shop today in town and he went at it with escalating chemicals, ending with alcohol and he couldn't get it, when I asked about wet sanding he seemed reluctant and didn't think it would come off after he just went at it with alcohol for 10 minutes. ...FUCK!!!

Anyways, here's the pics I never got around to posting, not the worst thing, but still shitty on a car that hasn't even hit 5k yet, not to mention it's also my first new car!

Muskokan 09-27-2013 04:19 PM

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Muskokan 09-27-2013 04:20 PM

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Muskokan 09-27-2013 07:43 PM

Any advice? @Mr. Sparkle. I need a lifesaver

Burrcold 09-27-2013 10:25 PM

Go to a better detailer. Where do you live?

OrangeJuleas 10-01-2013 02:22 PM

Hey @Muskokan, I get the same thing on my Whiteout as well. You can imagine how pissed I was when I saw them for the first time ("What the hell? This car is 3 months old and the extra $200 paint job is already permanently marred?!") This is :bs:!

I wash my car pretty regularly. I have yet to wax, and after a wash I see these yellow tree sap-looking stains that cannot be rubbed out, no matter how hard I try. But strangely, after parking in the sun on the next day I no longer see them. I was confused until I read this thread as well.

FWIW, your spots look really similar to mine. Still don't know what they are, but they are back every two weeks. I'll try to get a pic of mine to see if we have the same problem when it comes back.

Muskokan 10-01-2013 02:35 PM

Okay thanks for the advice, and yea they're weird streaks that look like residue a certain angles now :( anyway to get rid of that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle (Post 1243768)
someone else beat me to it. try a different detailer. Don't let anyone wetsand that. Its either tree sap (stoners tarminator or possibly even a cleaner wax with a DA polisher) or a rust bloom (try IronX or something equivalent)

or its some type of damage and its rusting from underneath (not likely). Either way I don't see wetsanding doing anything. if its on top of the paint theres a way to remove it


and I'm cringing at the thought of nail polish remover on there. that spot must be marred up pretty good by now :-(


I'm in muskoka, travel down to missisauga and Niagra sometimes.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Burrcold (Post 1238644)
Go to a better detailer. Where do you live?


Burrcold 10-01-2013 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muskokan (Post 1244109)
I'm in muskoka, travel down to missisauga and Niagra sometimes.

If you come in to Mississauga, go see Kevin at GTA In Detail and I'm positive he would be able to help. The guy is a detailing genius!! :)

Kids Heart 10-01-2013 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle (Post 1222985)
Stoners "Tarminator"

You can thank me later :D

This

Arcainum 10-08-2013 02:37 PM

AutoGlym Tree Sap remover from canadian tire will get that off. i had the same stains and it worked great.

Greg Nichols 10-08-2013 11:48 PM

From the not so clear photos my money is that its rust particles in the paint. You will get these on ALL paints but you see them much easier on white. Get some iron X and disolve them, you can also clay them, but its likely you will just shave the tops off of the particles.

If you drive a car on roads that has a snow, and the road is plowed, you will get these. It is my opinion that the blades on the plow leave behind metal shavings in the snow they then get splattered onto the paint sticking into the paint. I decon my paint each spring from this.

Cheers,
GREG

Myv 10-13-2013 02:11 PM

^ +1
I have a few of these rail dusts near the corner by the headlights, here's a link that might help you remove them, http://www.detailedimage.com/Ask-a-P...nd-a-clay-bar/

So I read around for more info, seems like these stuff works really well. You'll want to wash the car and keep the surface cool, spray on the iron X and agitate it a little with a sponge/microfiber cloth, and let it sit for 5 minutes or so. Then rinse it off as much as you can and clay bar. After that you can do your polish, waxing, sealant, etc. I'll do this after winter for sure!


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