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Originally Posted by AZP Installs
(Post 1228741)
For street and track use which is 90% of our customer base, we've done a lot of testing of pads on track and on the street in the past 10+ years. Here is our recommendations based on use and cost...
Hawk Ceramics- Good for soccer moms who don't want noise or dust. Good OEM replacement. Cost is a bit higher than the ST ones though.
Hawk HPS- Good upgrade to stock or as a stock replacement, good enough for a HPDE Level 1. Low dust, low noise.
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I have to say, my one experience with the Hawk HPS pads is that they are barely acceptable on the street (inferior to OEM S2000 pads), and *dangerous* at the track, for anyone.
I installed them the day before a track event (bled brakes w/ DOT4 as well). The pedal felt softer to the extent that I re-bled the brakes before driving the car. No improvement... On the road, I noticed a loss of coefficient of friction vs. OEM. I suspected this might actually be a good sign, maybe they need some heat in them "because race(ish) pad". Next day at the track, after about a lap out the pedal would begin sinking to the floor under braking, and I would have to actually downshift super-early and rely somewhat on engine braking to get the car slowed! I came in and bled brakes *again* with fresh DOT4. Next time out, same thing. Holy crap! It was barely manageable, I cut my session short. 3rd session, same thing, and after that I swapped the OEM pads back in. By then the HPS's were 85% GONE anyway. And whaddya know, with OEM pads I got my brakes back! The OEM Honda pads are NOT good track pads, but they were INFINITELY better than the HPS.
Either the HPSs I got were a "bad batch", or the HPS pad material just sucks. Either way, I STRONGLY recommend people to stay far far away from these pads.
I'm pretty easy on brakes, btw. I can easily get through a 2-day event on OEM pads taking it easy in the braking zones, and have no problems with HP+ pads on either the S2000 or 240Z on R-comp tires, without taking it easy on brakes.
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