CARB certified Turbo Kits?
 

Are there any turbo kits that will pass smog? Been looking around for hours. Still no luck. How about in the future?

none available at the moment.

No FI Kit is currently CARB legal

Both the innovate and vortech are CARB pending

From what I understand, its a little difficult to make a carb legal turbo for this car due to the 2 catalytic converters and low space. I've also heard of other kits "frying" cats (but that was at about 400whp if I remember correctly...).

I've heard 1 vendor who mentioned they were working on a CARB legal kit, but haven't heard much in details yet. I wouldn't bet on something like this coming out for quite a while (if it even happens).

EDIT: Depending on your power levels and gas quality, the Innovate kit is looking very good. @moto-mike just got 285whp on a dynojet with the innovate, 70mm pulley (10psi), and no other exhaust/power mods from what I understand. e85 gas. Intercooler sounds necessary for those with bad gas however, and that isn't out yet... Not to mention CARB is still "pending"

But remember you need innovate's tune for CARB, not a tuner kit

The main cat is located in the header and all the kits so far replace the header. Adding a main cat after would be expensive and would decrease performance. A high flow cat is not going to be enough to pass emissions.

Not true. Accelerated performance version 1 kept stock header as does Ptuning.

my turbo kit (stage 0 as we call it) also keeps stock headers, stock intake box and has a recirc Bov

and yes it will undergo CARB certification

http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/...77E9700740.jpg

note: picture above is still a prototype

Adding a main cat after would still violate CARB. Gotta keep the stock cats...even if the cat you are replacing it with is lower emissions. It's a stupid state.

I would assume greddy would be, since they are located in Irvine, but, then again... I am a novice anyways.

greddy eliminates headers and stock intake box. right there you know they cant be CARB

Very very few greddy kits even undergo testing let alone get approved.

Stupid is subjective, but the requirements are actually pretty simple.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...es/amquery.php

You are granted an EO number if you have a kit that is tested by the ARB to show it does not increase vehicle emissions.

There's two ways of doing this:
- keeping stock cat (but the tune still needs to keep factory emissions levels)
- using approved aftermarket cat as part of complete system upgrade

-alex

You can get the Greddy kit with an aftermarket cat but I don't know the emissions levels.

Except that all the companies have to pay to have CARB test their parts. It's all a money grab, not to help the environment which is how they got all those people to approve that proposition.


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So you don't need to keep the stock 2ndary cat for CARB? Intersting!!!

Also, interesting heat exchanger! Never seen that on charge piping!

Uh... you pay a lab to test/validate the modification for you (much like paying a smog station for a smog check), but the application for Exempt status is free.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/forms/forms.htm

Basically the manufacturer (say, Greddy) has to do all the R&D to make sure the kit passes emissions. Then Greddy arranges for an independent, certified lab to test the kit (with and without), and the paperwork is prepared in accordance with what is required by the ARB.

There's no fee associated with this paid to the state directly and it is most certainly not a money grab. The cost of CARB-exempt products and kits are usually associated with the design and testing of parts that require a lot of time and money invested. The same power goals of a turbo kit can be achieved without all the fancy testing, and the lower price of an "offroad only" kit is a direct reflection of this.

-alex

Not that e z. But I am only going off what greddy, stillen, avo and gtm said about costing thousands and being extremely time consuming and only one place in all of California that is approved to do the testing.

It's not at all easy, hence my comment about cost.

Most of the costs associated lie with the manufacturer, and that's my main point. This is not a money-grabbing scheme as previously suggested.

Much like a new car's emissions systems, the law states you can only have XYZ emissions for a given type of new car. The costs of design and testing primarily rest with the manufacturer, any fees or permits is very small (or nonexistent) in the context of R&D.

-alex

Sorry I was not meaning to stomp on what you said I was trying to reinforce it. :)

As far as kits available right now, I don't believe there are any kits available, I have yet to see one that's CARB legal. CARB certification does take some time, so don't hold your breath on getting a kit available for CARB cert anytime soon.

So how easy would it be to try and get the car registered to a relative in a different state with lower emission standards?

Necro... It's easy. Although the cost of the ticket you're going to get when you get caught isn't easy to swallow.

And how do you end up getting caught?

Out of state plates get noticed. California recently set up a website for your neighbors to turn you in. Or you get pulled over for anything...

CARB certified Turbo Kits?
 

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What is this, 1984? What an evil system

http://www.chp.ca.gov/prog/cheaters.cgi

10 years ago, or thereabouts, I got pulled over with a friend who had been living in San Diego and never registered his car here. He had been driving around with out of state plates for a couple years before he finally got pulled over...

He got a ticket that was between 400 and 500 bucks at the time and then had to deal with getting the car smogged and registered in california or go back home.

cali sucks :(

There is the STS turbo... it hangs where the muffler is and keeps the stock header, front pipe and the resonator of the mid pipe. Don't know about CARB but at least the cats are still there.

cats. lol. like your avatar. :scared0012:

It's not difficult, but you are still subject to CA laws if your car is in CA. If you are ticketed, you will need to pay the regular CA fines, and get it CA legal to continue driving it here. A second citation in CA will result in exponentially larger fines.

Put it this way. If you have a car from Florida, and are caught speeding (per California vehicle code) in CA, you still have to pay that speeding ticket. Getting an emissions ticket is no different.

Not CARB legal, and emissions tickets are NOT pretty.

Join the military... Register car in another state (last duty station) and get a license from there... Cops can't do anything. No carb nothing, renew registration online send to new address

Yup! Probably the best benefit; I have my home of record as WA and license from PA, insurance wherever I'm at. Never gotta worry about all these dumb emissions, safety, CARB, road-worthy, whatever-else inspections in various states!

Alert the recruiters. Join the military and say fuck it to CARB.

The best part about a WA license is that it never expires, they put MILITARY in the expiration section. So you'll never need to renew it as long as you have your military ID.

WA license + WA plate... in California = no CARB testing

Until you get pulled over more than once, and force you to register the car here for being a CA resident.

Not being a resident does not exempt you from CA laws.

Does being a WA resident exempt you from CA speeding or cell phone laws? Nope. It doesn't exempt you from emissions either.

It *may* get you out the first time, but after that get out of jail free, you better register locally, because the second time will result in the emissions citation AND a bunch of others.

Not true... as a military member you are a resident of your home state where you entered the Navy as your "Home of Record". Of course you can change your home of record but very few do

I vote in WA, I pay WA taxes (which is none since they don't have state taxes) and I register my car in WA. I've live in Cali and had WA plates, license, and registration... CARB was not an issue and plates were not an issue.

They have to prove my residency... my license and registration say WA, therefore not a resident. Simply living in CA does not make a military member a resident. We have exemptions due to the nature of the military. Trust me, I don't even pay CA state taxes and I lived there for many years in the Military. They've tried to collect, but I reply back with proof of military and poof gone. Hell, I even bought my motorcycle in CA, registered it in WA and paid WA taxes and registration fee on it... from CA.

Traffic laws are not the same as residency laws....

Also,

Federal law: Section 511 of the Service Members’ Civil Relief Act,
A person shall not be deemed to have lost a residence or domicile in any state solely by reason of being absent there from in compliance with military orders. A person shall not be deemed to have acquired a residence or domicile in any other state solely by reason of being there in compliance with military orders.

This means I'm not a Cali resident

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures...r.htm#military

This means I don't have to register my car in Cali

which all equals no SMOG/CARB unless you home state/county point of registration make you.

You aren't understanding what Mike is saying. Being a resident of another state doesn't exempt you from the laws of the state you are driving in, regardless if your resident state has those laws or not.

As an example, a lot of states don't even issue front license plates but if I get pulled over in a state requiring a front plate, the cops there have every right to give me a ticket. I can argue I don't even have a front plate, but that doesn't matter.

CA I think is about the only state who can/will give you tickets for not complying with their emissions laws like removing cats, etc. while being pulled over. Doesn't have anything to do with passing their emissions tests. You could always tell them you are just passing through the state or something but if you get pulled over again it might not work out so well.

You're right, you technically can get a ticket for ANYTHING... whether or not it holds weight is the courts decision.


I guess as long as my car isn't spewing out smoke/fumes then I don't have to worry about getting pulled over for it. Either way, I won't have to do CARB testing when I register my vehicle, so only way its an issue is at street level when pulled over. Which of course my reply at court would be non-resident car and did not require CARB testing. Yes, I could get a ticket, but it would be tossed at court as I am not required to pass California emission testing only WA emissions testing. Now, If my car doesn't even pass WA testing, then that is a problem. As for front license plates, same thing would happen... you'd get a ticket but the ticket would be tossed at court... since some states don't even give you two plates.

Also, I am just passing through, its taking my 3 years to get through, but I'm still only passing through... lol

But either way, I've never once had an issue in Cali with emissions or testing, or ticket... nothing. I've been stopped, Cop saw my Military ID, WA license, and Registration... didn't even bother. Even made comments about my exhaust (this was on my old SRT-4 though)... just my experience.