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zoomzoomers 03-26-2012 07:55 PM

What is the most money you would pay for a BRZ?
 
Now that we're getting closer to Subaru releasing the final price for the BRZ, what is the maximum you would pay for one? What's it worth to you to drive the most pure sports (sporty) car money can buy under $30k~ ish...

Dark 03-26-2012 08:04 PM

I would pay 26K for Premium and 28K for Limited( includes Desti. and handling fee).

Subaruwrxfan 03-26-2012 08:14 PM

28.5k max for the limited including destination.

Dave-ROR 03-26-2012 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark (Post 166292)
I would pay 26K for Premium and 28K for Limited( includes Desti. and handling fee).

^^^ thereabouts

zoomzoomers 03-26-2012 08:24 PM

So an OTD price of $31k ish?

Dark 03-26-2012 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers (Post 166314)
So an OTD price of $31k ish?

Wait til the hype dies down, you will get the car below 30K OTD.

zoomzoomers 03-26-2012 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark (Post 166322)
Wait til the hype dies down, you will get the car below 30K OTD.

Agreed, but who can wait? I'd be willing to write off a grand to get this ASAP.

Lighting Red 03-26-2012 08:29 PM

HEY SUBARU! As you can see (and I suspect you are peeking in this forum), your perspective customers are settling on $28k +/- $500 MSRP w/destination. What right do I have to dictate what you will charge us for the car? NONE! But who gives a damn!? :bellyroll:

Subaruwrxfan 03-26-2012 08:30 PM

Yeah, with my sales tax, 28.5k results in a final price of 30,495. I'm considering my $500 deposit as already spent, so in my mind, I'm right under 30k :)
Granted, title and license fees will be about 240 bucks, but that's enough for me to overlook.

Dark 03-26-2012 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers (Post 166323)
Agreed, but who can wait? I'd be willing to write off a grand to get this ASAP.

I will wait until next year or next 2 years. I really REALLY want to see what new WRX STI will be like before buying BRZ.

grst1 03-26-2012 09:04 PM

+1!!!! Will be very difficult to rationalize bigger price tag. And my wife won't let me get Premium cause no heated seats...:)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Subaruwrxfan (Post 166301)
28.5k max for the limited including destination.


Longhorn248 03-26-2012 09:12 PM

under $29k OTD for Premium.

Miniata 03-26-2012 09:14 PM

I ordered a premium, and am willing to pay MSRP or hopefull a little less. I'm willing to pay (MSRP) up to $27k if I feel it is perfect after a couple of test drives, and $26k if it is nearly perfect.

Elleteeh 03-26-2012 09:20 PM

Under $31k OTD for Limited.

Tbxgz 03-26-2012 09:21 PM

Ive come to the realization that price speculation threads always end up being a disappointment. The price seems to always come in about 1000 over the general consensus. So while most of us are thinking 28 for the L, Im expecting 29. :thumbdown:

dsgerbc 03-26-2012 09:43 PM

$1.

Dionysus 03-26-2012 09:45 PM

28,900 otd. Premium w/spoiler.

merlin2111 03-26-2012 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsgerbc (Post 166388)
$1.

I really hope that is OTD. I was hoping for well under .89.

In reality though, I would love to get the limited for under 30k OTD. If Subaru could pull that off they will have a line OTD.

Lighting Red 03-26-2012 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsgerbc (Post 166388)
$1.

[Bob Barker] Survey says? [/Bob Barker]

Deslock 03-26-2012 09:59 PM

$25.2 Premium
$27.5 Limited

Don't get greedy Subaru, or I'll buy the FRS instead.

Mango22 03-26-2012 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deslock (Post 166404)
$25.2 Premium
$27.5 Limited

Don't get greedy Subaru, or I'll buy the FRS instead.

^This^ I'll have to stomach those racer red FRS seat inserts. :barf:
Not good on the GBS.... Ugh...

blu_ 03-26-2012 11:33 PM

Dont think those are on the US cars.

Enemies 03-26-2012 11:33 PM

MSRP.

Ryephile 03-26-2012 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deslock (Post 166404)
$25.2 Premium
$27.5 Limited

Don't get greedy Subaru, or I'll buy the FRS instead.

Sounds good, on all counts. Now that Scion has their price out there, the sales are Subaru's to lose if they screw the pooch on pricing.

KaliKev 03-27-2012 12:09 AM

Nice try, Subaru.

shaX 07 03-27-2012 09:02 AM

Most people seem to have forgotten the original point of this car (i.e. great suspension, 200hp, and SUB $20k price) so I am going to reference that of which I am having a hard time letting go of.

http://www.automotiveaddicts.com/741...kyo-motor-show

I distinctly remember when that article first came out, I was supremely excited about this car. Superb handling, 200hp NA and I quote "price is expected to be just above $20,000".

Somehow, some way, the price jumped from "just above $20,000" to.... $24,930 (for the FR-S). $4,930 above $20,000 is not JUST ABOVE. It's way above. So far above that it's highly disappointing and yeah I understand economies and emerging markets and tsunamis in Japan, etc. But my idea of Just above $20k would have been... $21,000.

This isn't even factoring that the BRZ is going to cost EVEN MORE than the FR-S.

So I would pay the original expected price of roughly $21,000.

Dave-ROR 03-27-2012 09:13 AM

The car as changed a bit since then. It's priced right IMO.

A Gomez 03-27-2012 10:06 AM

I guess it depends. I obviously wanted it to be a $20,000 car, but the reality is that it is not, unfortunately.. I won't pay anything above the MSRP and if it is priced like $25,700 (excluding destination fee) or above I probably would not like it. It would not be so much because I cannot pay the price, but the fact that they said it would start around $25K and then would have sneaked up the price again. It all depends on taking look at the actual car and driving it. If it feels like it is worth $25K+, then I will do it. If not, I will pull out my deposit. Also, how much they can work on my trade-in is another factor.

Gaiakai 03-27-2012 11:14 AM

Ordered a Limited, so I'm hoping for something around 27-28.5k, mayyyyyyyybe 29k - if the test drive blows my mind. And not just "wow that's awesome to drive" kind of mind blowing, for 29k I want "holy fnck free sushi!" kind of mind blowing. :bellyroll:

I do however need a car by early September, so there's still that timeframe I have to look out for...

Turbowned 03-27-2012 11:21 AM

$30.5K OTD for a Limited - $28,000 for the car after destination, 6.25% tax, $100 title/reg, ~$300 documentation fee. That's my limit, and it's uncomfortable at that point but I will make it work if I have to. I'm in a privileged position that allows me to lease certain Audis through my work for peanuts on a 6-mo. term with no money down, so if it's gonna be more, I'll say "f*** it" and lease another $55,000 Audi S4 for the same monthly payment as the $30k BRZ. Either way is a win ;)


Quote:

Originally Posted by shaX 07 (Post 166692)
Most people seem to have forgotten the original point of this car (i.e. great suspension, 200hp, and SUB $20k price) so I am going to reference that of which I am having a hard time letting go of.

http://www.automotiveaddicts.com/741...kyo-motor-show

I distinctly remember when that article first came out, I was supremely excited about this car. Superb handling, 200hp NA and I quote "price is expected to be just above $20,000".

Shax, you're obviously not paying attention. Two things: INFLATION and BAD dollar-yen exchange rates. First, $20k in 2009 is now $21,223 in today's dollars. Second, $21,223 exchanges to ¥1766443. Considering the BRZ Premium is selling for ¥2478000 or $29,775, you should count yourself lucky that the FR-S is ONLY $24,900! That's nearly five thousand dollars cheaper than it is in Japan. And it's right on par with the MX-5, RX-8 and Genesis Coupe, so even if they could produce the car for less than $20k, they'd have no competition.

racerkyo 03-27-2012 11:47 AM

$26k for premium. dont much care for the extras in the limited

shaX 07 03-27-2012 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 166696)
The car as changed a bit since then. It's priced right IMO.

Here's the press release from the above link:

PRESS RELEASE

1. FT-86 Concept (world premiere)
The FT-86 (“86″ pronounced “hachi roku”), a compact rear-wheel-drive sports car, provides driving joy and excitement.

* Compact design gives driver greater control, while body’s lightness and low center of gravity allow racecar-like handling
* Both power and environmental performance provided by 2-liter boxer engine and light body
* Flash Red body color contains hint of blue; interior expresses modern feel with minimal coverage of the highly refined structural components evoking enthusiasm for cruising

Vehicle Length Width Height Wheelbase Seating
FT-86 Concept 4,160 mm 1,760 mm 1,260 mm 2,570 mm 4


Please tell me-- what exactly has "changed" based on the above statement? Sounds like they made the car Exactly as they said they would 3 years ago, only with a price increase of over $5,000 and the actual performance figures of the car fall far short of what anybody on earth expected.

Subaruwrxfan 03-27-2012 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaX 07 (Post 166857)
Please tell me-- what exactly has "changed" based on the above statement? Sounds like they made the car Exactly as they said they would 3 years ago, only with a price increase of over $5,000 and the actual performance figures of the car fall far short of what anybody on earth expected.

For one thing, inflation at 3% each year bumps the price up from 20k to 22.4k.

DEC1 03-27-2012 02:01 PM

$30.5K OTD for a Limited - $28,000 for the car after destination, 6.25% tax, $100 title/reg, ~$300 documentation fee.


Yup...I'm right here ^...any more than that and I'm looking harder at used Caymans...I'm already actively shopping them even with a deposit down on a BRZ.
I'm wondering if +10k for an '09 Cayman will pay off on the other side at trade/sell time?
I could get a sweet Cayman for 40K...

86'd 03-27-2012 02:30 PM

I'm sorry but, anybody who thought this car would be 20k has no understanding on how money works in the world.

There are at least tens of known variables known to me (and I suck at math and all that).

And then there is all of the hundreds of variables that I don't have a clue about that can determine price.

Just to name a few:

Supply/Initial demand

Class Competition Costs

R&D costs

Parts cost

Specific Market Costs

Exchange Rates

Taxes/Tariffs

Safety Costs

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As far as the OP goes, the most I'd pay for a BRZ is: 27OTD for Premium and 29OTD for the Limited. I don't need more power but the Limited's price to me isn't worth it; it would have to have more power IMO to justify anything over 30k. Mid 20's is what I'm comfortable with...

So I'm most likely going with the FRS because IMO it's the better value because I don't need/want the NAV. Plus the new halogen projectors (at least on my wife's Prius) are decent. And I like the look of the FRS more, both in the interior and exterior.

tranzformer 03-27-2012 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 166696)
The car as changed a bit since then. It's priced right IMO.


What has changed with the car? Nothing with the car has changed. The penny pinchers within Toyota got the final word on pricing. Add in changed with world-wide economy and the strength of the yen. But really, nothing has changed with the car. Same 2+2 with RWD and 200hp.

engee 03-27-2012 02:40 PM

30K OTD. Where I am that's approximately 28K with destination and then add in title, registration, and doc fees.

shaX 07 03-27-2012 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86'd (Post 167000)
I'm sorry but, anybody who thought this car would be 20k has no understanding on how money works in the world.

There are at least tens of known variables known to me (and I suck at math and all that).

And then there is all of the hundreds of variables that I don't have a clue about that can determine price.

Just to name a few:

Supply/Initial demand

Class Competition Costs

R&D costs

Parts cost

Specific Market Costs

Exchange Rates

Taxes/Tariffs

Safety Costs

---------------

As far as the OP goes, the most I'd pay for a BRZ is: 27OTD for Premium and 29OTD for the Limited. I don't need more power but the Limited's price to me isn't worth it; it would have to have more power IMO to justify anything over 30k. Mid 20's is what I'm comfortable with...

So I'm most likely going with the FRS because IMO it's the better value because I don't need/want the NAV. Plus the new halogen projectors (at least on my wife's Prius) are decent. And I like the look of the FRS more, both in the interior and exterior.

You guys are way over thinking this. The fact of the matter is, the statements were made that 3 years ago when they said the car will "sell for a little above $20,000" they weren't saying "If the car goes on sale this year, it will be $20,000, but if it goes on sale in 2012, simply factor inflation and other market variables".

That is just nonsense.

When a car is in concept form, they are PROJECTING a price for the era in which it will be sold. At the time this press release came out, they were not projecting the car to go on sale until At Least 2011, so saying that we have to factor inflation, etc.. is just foolish.

Anytime i've ever read about a car that is to be released 2 years from now, they project the 2 years from now price. Not a hypothetical price in the current market. Why would I care what the price of a car could be in 2012 if the car isn't being released until 2015? That's just dumb. I would only care about what WILL THE PRICE BE WHEN IT GOES ON SALE.

Making sense anyone?

devinclfalcons 03-27-2012 09:05 PM

I'm getting the car at $500 over Invoice so I guess I am in a different boat than most. For me it depends on what the Invoice price will be and not MSRP. I am hoping the Limited will be 28k MSRP and ~26k Invoice

Any guesses on what the Invoice price will be?

Zgrinch 03-27-2012 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devinclfalcons (Post 167423)
I'm getting the car at $500 over Invoice so I guess I am in a different boat than most. For me it depends on what the Invoice price will be and not MSRP. I am hoping the Limited will be 28k MSRP and ~26k Invoice

Any guesses on what the Invoice price will be?

Same boat and I'd say you are pretty on target. I'm thinking 28k OTD


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