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FR-Slide 08-08-2013 04:24 PM

Can an NA FA20 produce exhaust burble/pop?
 
Sorry if the title is kinda convoluted, here's the background and the question:

I want to keep the car NA (for now), and am looking to upgrade the exhaust. Maybe not all at once, but headers + full exhaust is definitely in the final plan. I compression brake as much as possible, and coming from my B6 S4 (4.2 V8), I really miss the vocal feedback that I get when downshift coasting. Obviously, a flat-4 won't give the same bark and pop as a big catless v8, but I am looking for something similar.

I'd like to pick up a UEL eventually, but first step is going to be a catback and maybe front/overpipe combo. As this is my DD, I'd like to keep it a little civilized/low-drone, but I didn't buy this car to blend into the background and don't mind some noise under load.

Is there a good option for catback that gives the sound I'm after? Can I keep a cat/cats, or will that pretty much kill the effect on this platform? Trying to avoid a CEL, as I don't mind tuning, but didn't want to get into that yet (though I DO want to get rid of the torque dip...hoping headers can solve that problem a bit).

I've tried the :search:, but "exhaust pop" pulls up everything from pop-rivets to soda pop :sigh: Just hoping that someone else knows what I'm talking about and can steer me into a few brands to look at, or even let me know if what I'm afer exists.

Thanks for any help.

topazsparrow 08-08-2013 04:26 PM

You could tune it in. A Catless header would certainly amplify it.

I get that it sounds cool, but it's not traditionally a good thing. It's a relic of days gone by with no variable valve timing and running rich.

OrbitalEllipses 08-08-2013 04:27 PM

Yes, you will get afterfire if you replace the exhaust components downstream of the header.

Diode Dynamics 08-08-2013 04:30 PM

You'd have to have a free flowing exhaust

Headers + catless exhaust

Nick C.

DarkSunrise 08-08-2013 04:32 PM

A non-resonated midpipe helps. I hear a little more burble/pop with my Perrin non-resonated CBE. Pretty sure the more resonators and cats you remove from the exhaust path, the clearer it should be.

Here was a thread about it a while back.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=807748

brz_star21 08-08-2013 04:37 PM

If the "boxer rumble" you're wanting takes priority over looks of the muffler/tailpipes than you should invest in the UEL first. The rumble is mainly due to the unequal length of 2 of the 4 exhaust runners and the different exhaust gas pulse it produces. Personally not my cup of tea.

You'll find a bit more threads like this. Try searching for "boxer rumble", "burble", or similar.

raul 08-08-2013 04:39 PM

I have the nameless downpipe and axleback and I get that sound pretty often when I let off the throttle quickly.

FR-Slide 08-08-2013 04:47 PM

Thanks for all the replies so far. I figured the basics would remain true (less resonators, cats, restrictions = clearer path = more sound and feedback). Glad to know it's an option.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 1128219)
A non-resonated midpipe helps. I hear a little more burble/pop with my Perrin non-resonated CBE. Pretty sure the more resonators and cats you remove from the exhaust path, the clearer it should be.

Here was a thread about it a while back.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=807748

Sweet, I'm at work but will have to check the video's out at home. Thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by brz_star21 (Post 1128227)
If the "boxer rumble" you're wanting takes priority over looks of the muffler/tailpipes than you should invest in the UEL first. The rumble is mainly due to the unequal length of 2 of the 4 exhaust runners and the different exhaust gas pulse it produces. Personally not my cup of tea.

You'll find a bit more threads like this. Try searching for "boxer rumble", "burble", or similar.

Thanks, I get that the UEL gives the "Subie rumble", which is a big part of what's drawing me to that type over the EL, but what I was more curious about specifically was crackle/pop on overrun and burble on compression braking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by raul (Post 1128232)
I have the nameless downpipe and axleback and I get that sound pretty often when I let off the throttle quickly.

Good deal, I know there are plently of nameless clips that I can check out to see if this will fit the bill.

Thanks all! Keep any other feedback coming :happy0180:

raul 08-08-2013 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FR-Slide (Post 1128254)
Good deal, I know there are plently of nameless clips that I can check out to see if this will fit the bill.

Thanks all! Keep any other feedback coming :happy0180:

I may be able to replicate it for you.

OrbitalEllipses 08-08-2013 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raul (Post 1128232)
I have the nameless downpipe and axleback and I get that sound pretty often when I let off the throttle quickly.

Samesies, even with a cat I get some pops.

SmsAlSuwaidi 08-08-2013 05:34 PM

My car pops like crazy with a straight catback ( Buddy club spec 2) + a test pipe, and the main cause is that my ecu is adjusting and running a bit rich :)

overlookedx 08-08-2013 08:22 PM

I know this makes absolutely no sense, but I get tons more pops/burble with my Nameless muffler delete than I ever did with my non-resonated Perrin catback. I thoroughly enjoy downshifts now, especially while on track.

DarkSunrise 08-08-2013 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by overlookedx (Post 1128761)
I know this makes absolutely no sense, but I get tons more pops/burble with my Nameless muffler delete than I ever did with my non-resonated Perrin catback. I thoroughly enjoy downshifts now, especially while on track.

I can believe that. The Perrin muffler is probably more effective at quieting pops/burbles than the stock midpipe resonator (+ muffler delete).

Hardrock4445 08-08-2013 09:08 PM

I get it with Catless header, stock over front and mid pipe with resonated muffler delete and I love it.

WolfsFang 08-08-2013 09:17 PM

I have a borla cat delete and a muffler delete i made and my car backfires like crazy (no flames). Happens alot when I downshift and sometimes when I upshift. I can take a vid and show you what i mean.

mrk1 08-08-2013 09:28 PM

I have factory header and bolt on exhaust and get plenty of burbles and cracks if I run up 1st and let off still in gear. I love doing it on tight city street, great echo. I also get a pop more often then not on daily driving 1-2 shifts

kALMIGHTY 08-08-2013 10:02 PM

The only exhaust mod I have is the TRD exhaust and I get crackles and pops, especially if you give it a little bit of gas after a cold start (not more than 3 or 4k revs), and when revving high after it's warmed up and letting the revs fall on their own.

cf6mech 08-09-2013 06:42 AM

Not by purpose, but a by product of my setup I get it a lot being catless (as mentioned) and running E85..

Blue86 08-10-2013 02:34 AM

If at idle I hold revs at say 2-3k rpm and then let of the throttle I get it. I have high flow cat and a twin exit resonated muffler delete

JiB 08-11-2013 10:03 AM

I get it running catless header, Perrin catted header back on 98 and e85

Grip Ronin 08-11-2013 04:42 PM

i got a revworks header, catless front pipe and a tusdo catback. i get no burble at all, wish i did. the uel rumble is great tho. sounds cammed at idle lol

Diode Dynamics 08-12-2013 11:55 AM

Injen intake + Berk Exhaust....I can't remember if it pops or not, but either way it sounds really good. It's just funny because the car sounds so fast and its just....not lol

Nick C.

boarder1995 08-16-2013 10:20 AM

Another Nameless header back exhaust owner here. It pops and burbles a fair bit. Let off throttle quick and it'll pop a few times. Sounds quite nice, especially for a 4 banger (flat 4). My other car comparison is a v10 (E60 M5, Dinan stroked) that pops and burbles too, and I like them both!
My Nameless full exhausy system has new down/overpipe, high flow cat, Helmholtz resonator, factory headers, no tune.

Bg8780 08-16-2013 11:17 AM

I was curious about this as well, I saw a video of the new F-Type and that engine sounds amazing when the throttle was lifted. I would love it if my exhaust made the gurgle when I lift off the throttle.

pcporo 08-16-2013 01:07 PM

I have an Invidia catless front pipe and the TRD exhaust and I get a small amount of pop when letting off the gas around 3-3.5k rpm

mav1178 08-16-2013 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FR-Slide (Post 1128204)
I've tried the :search:, but "exhaust pop" pulls up everything from pop-rivets to soda pop :sigh:

Go on Google and enter into the search bar:
"keyword site:www.ft86club.com"

Example:
"exhaust pop site:www.ft86club.com"

https://www.google.com/webhp?source=...w.ft86club.com

-alex

Perihelion 08-16-2013 01:30 PM

I have a q300 and an invidia catless front pipe with no tune, I got a little pop pop at around 5k rpm

Darryljr11 08-16-2013 01:38 PM

with an invidia catless front pipe and ft86speedfactory my car crackles and pops. Now even more with borla UEL header.


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