My dealer told me the sound system was an amazing Harmon Kardon system developed specifically for the BRZ....then I turned it on.

Hahahahahaha. It's all relative. Still funny. The SUV I traded in (BMW X1) for the car was wayyyy faster.

they'll say anything,

number of years ago i picked up an 07 (mkv) gti great little practical car with solid mod potential, but with stats pretty similar to this. (200ish hp, more torque, more weight).

salesman was talking it up like it was a race car, I pointed outside to the ls2 gto i drove there in parked right on the other side of the window.

He stopped talking about how fast the gti was. The brz/frs feels absolutely fantastic (tires aside) for a stock car in the mid 20k price range.... but my forester makes it look silly.

Rumors? This hardly even qualifies as a rumor. One yahoo talking to another and neither really infers or implies correctly. Reminds me of "Who's on First".

Take what they say with a sack of salt so large you can defrost a 2 mile runway...

General rule of thumb: Salespeople are the last to know of anything decided at the manufacturer level.

So if nobody else knew of this yet it was just salesman bullshit to make a sale or appear to be in the know.

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This is like when I was arguing with the parts department on my oil filter being the wrong one. I ended up being told I was right. During the debacle, one of the tech's came by, said I should have waited for the turbo'ed one. I said so what wait 2-3 years? He said no, the new models are not using the same engine anymore but using the '14 ForesterXT engine. I laughed. He said no its true I saw it at whatever their mechanic school for subaru is.

sales guys don't know jack crap. I like my sales guy. I bought two cars from him already, but when it comes to details, they don't know anything for enthusiasts. Their main job is to sell for the masses, not for us, the enthusiasts.

I was shopping around for a new STI one time, and the first thing that the sales guy asked "are you one of those people who know more about the STI than the us sales guys?" Made me laugh a bit. They really don't know details. Do your own research in forums and journal articles.

And as @The359 mentioned, Indiana plant is expanding to produce impreza's by 2015/2016. BRZ, WRX STI, and Foresters will still be built in Japan.

Probably trying to scare you into buying now b4 the comming months and the break up

Anything to make a sale. Sometimes I wish the salesmen would just stfu and let me just deal with a manager who can actually change the sales price. The salesmen are nothing but middle men for the masses weeding out window shoppers from actual potential buyers.

14' forester does use fa20t

wouldn't be suprised at all if a variation of it eventually ends up in these cars, but i'm sure it won't happen till all of us early adopters have been thoroughly suckered in

I dont feel suckered i knew exactly what i was buying, and its not so bad with 200hp cause you do save gas and its plenty fast nuff for city driving, i have yet to see other ppl pulling crazy turns like i do.

The sales manager at my dealership knew right away that I knew more about the car than they did. Generally speaking, they couldn't bullshit me even if they tried. I love the part where trolls on youtube tell you Subaru's transmissions are glass and what not, then find out from a knowledgeable person that Aisin makes the tranny.

i did buy one too sir, and i know what i was buying as well, but the car as it comes is slow, thats ok though, if i want acceleration thats just a different set of keys to grab, with the mix of mpg, handling and bit of practicality this makes a very nice run around car.

anyway its simple principles of business, hype a product, acquire nutswingers, release product, milk out the early adopters, hype more, acquire more nutswingers, then release improved product to get those on fence and the early adopters to rebuy.


enjoy pulling those crazy turns on public roads doe.