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-   -   vs Toyota Celica GT-S (2000-2005) (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4148)

SteelReign 03-11-2012 10:04 PM
vs Toyota Celica GT-S (2000-2005)
 
http://www.thesupercars.org/wp-conte...ota-celica.jpg

http://images03.olx.com/ui/1/40/05/1573505_1.jpg
180 horsepower
2500 lbs
30 mpg hwy

Can't believe there's no thread for this yet, but now I'm lookin' for one. They run only about $10k for a 2005 model so they seem pretty budget-friendly.

Any current or previous owners have any input?

tranzformer 03-11-2012 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SteelReign (Post 154045)
180 horsepower
2500 lbs
30 mpg hwy

Can't believe there's no thread for this yet, but now I'm lookin' for one. They run only about $10k for a 2005 model so they seem pretty budget-friendly.

Any current or previous owners have any input?


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ghlight=celica

SteelReign 03-11-2012 10:35 PM
thanks for the link. no need for the thread now!

cassidy0998 03-11-2012 10:55 PM
I've been comparing these cars from the get go. I used to own one back in 2004. Great little car. Lacking in power but a great daily driver.

My guess is that the FR-S will be exactly equal to the 7th gen Celica GT-S. (2zz)

Power to weight ratios are almost dead on, mpg, dimensions etc.

The FR-S/BRZ is rwd while the Celica is fwd. That's about the only difference.

The FR-S really is the new Celica (as far as the specs go)

chulooz 03-12-2012 12:46 AM
Excellent performance benchmark... when built properly by Lotus.

SUB-FT86 03-12-2012 08:13 AM
I have a strong feeling this car will be as quick as the FRS for two reasons

1. FWD has less drivetrain loss

2. 250 lbs difference for 20 hp put the Celica GTS at a slightly inferior P2W ratio.(13.75lbs vs 13.88lbs)


Handling wise I think it will be about the same. It doesn't look like a huge upgrade to me for Celica GTS owners other than having RWD.

switchlanez 03-13-2012 02:21 AM
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I miss my Celica GT-S dearly as it was my first car. The power was sufficient and everything else was just excellent. My fave mod was the OEM LSD (an option on the JDM Celica). It was just awesome feeling torque adjustments feedback through the steering wheel and playing with torque-induced oversteer. :thumbsup: But I always wished for RWD so I got the next best thing, MR-S, which I also miss dearly. The FR-S/BRZ combines the best of both cars plus should give me a sense of nostalgia which adds value to my purchase.

I liked when Best Motoring praised the Celica as the best in the Touge 200 Class (among the Garage Limit Cappuccino, Circuit Club City, Yashio Factory Vitz RS, Loft AE86,RS Aizawa Roadster (Miata), Technoprospirit MR-S,Spoon Civic (EG6), Phase Integra R(DC2), C-One Celica (ZZT231)). Not the fastest, but the best balanced. This is where Toyota heritage counts as the foundation beneath Subaru engineering... chassis balance comes before power/hi-tech features.

Edit: This video cut out the praising commentary on the Celica even though it lost to the hachiroku but it was in this episode.

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cassidy0998 03-13-2012 03:17 AM
Hopefully the FR-S/BRZ won't end up like the 7th gen. Celica...

carbonBLUE 03-13-2012 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by cassidy0998 (Post 154822)
Hopefully the FR-S/BRZ won't end up like the 7th gen. Celica...
yeah i wish my car came in AWD and turbo like the 6th gen

chulooz 03-13-2012 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 154806)
I miss my Celica GT-S dearly as it was my first car. The power was sufficient and everything else was just excellent. My fave mod was the OEM LSD (an option on the JDM Celica). It was just awesome feeling torque adjustments feedback through the steering wheel and playing with torque-induced oversteer. :thumbsup: But I always wished for RWD so I got the next best thing, MR-S, which I also miss dearly. The FR-S/BRZ combines the best of both cars plus should give me a sense of nostalgia which adds value to my purchase.

I liked when Best Motoring praised the Celica as the best in the Touge 200 Class (among the Garage Limit Cappuccino, Circuit Club City, Yashio Factory Vitz RS, Loft AE86,RS Aizawa Roadster (Miata), Technoprospirit MR-S,Spoon Civic (EG6), Phase Integra R(DC2), C-One Celica (ZZT231))[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]. Not the fastest, but the best balanced. This is where Toyota heritage counts as the foundation beneath Subaru engineering... chassis balance comes before power/hi-tech features.


How did you find torque in your GTS, nevermind FWD torque oversteer?

Also, which of the two do you think creates the chassis and balance: heritage or engineering?

switchlanez 03-13-2012 11:59 AM
^U trollin? How do wheels turn?

Lightweight/RWD balance is an idea; engineering is executed following guidelines birthed off of that idea. Without guidelines influenced by heritage, nothing would have been engineered.

chulooz 03-13-2012 12:08 PM
:lol: FWD torque (~120?) oversteer doesnt exist.

The mules are subaru, the parts are subaru, the builders are subaru... yet it couldnt have happened without toyota, but its not because of their engineers.

SteelReign 03-13-2012 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by switchlanez (Post 154806)
I miss my Celica GT-S dearly as it was my first car. The power was sufficient and everything else was just excellent. My fave mod was the OEM LSD (an option on the JDM Celica). It was just awesome feeling torque adjustments feedback through the steering wheel and playing with torque-induced oversteer. :thumbsup: But I always wished for RWD so I got the next best thing, MR-S, which I also miss dearly. The FR-S/BRZ combines the best of both cars plus should give me a sense of nostalgia which adds value to my purchase.
Why'd you get rid of your Celica GT-S? and your MR-S?

carbonBLUE 03-13-2012 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by chulooz (Post 154915)
:lol: FWD torque (~120?) oversteer doesnt exist.

The mules are subaru, the parts are subaru, the builders are subaru... yet it couldnt have happened without toyota, but its not because of their engineers.
if you can make the tires chatter a bit at 65mph going into 3rd, with 120tq, then 120 tq is enough :D


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