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FRSBRZGT86FAN 07-10-2013 11:54 PM

Headers?
 
Those of you with headers when emissions inspections come around what do you guys do? Bolt on the stock ones? Also is there a current header on a market that still gets power gains and is catted and won't cause a CEL? Doubt it but that's a question, also how would you run the headers so it would pass inspection if it didn't have cats would a tune cover all that up?:sigh:

Luis_GT 07-11-2013 12:18 AM

HKS and FA20 club both have a EL header with catted option.

I think nameless will release a EL header with catted option soon.

Hawaiian 07-11-2013 12:34 AM

P&L also has a catted EL option.

FRSBRZGT86FAN 07-11-2013 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawaiian (Post 1060151)
P&L also has a catted EL option.

Any issues with emissions?

clintavo 07-11-2013 02:31 AM

The UEL headers are pretty hard to spot unless you're looking. Just have to make sure there is no CEL.
I live in California and bought the car out of state. That means I have to smog it now, and every 2 years henceforth. The real question is whether or not the remaining CAT is sufficient to pass the sniffer.

Raven604 07-11-2013 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luis_GT (Post 1060102)

I think nameless will release a EL header with catted option soon.

HAHAHA

Fast_Freddy 07-11-2013 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 1060019)
Those of you with headers when emissions inspections come around what do you guys do? Bolt on the stock ones? Also is there a current header on a market that still gets power gains and is catted and won't cause a CEL? Doubt it but that's a question, also how would you run the headers so it would pass inspection if it didn't have cats would a tune cover all that up?:sigh:

The key to passing emission testing in most states is to be CEL free. There are 4 ways to do this while running a header.

1: Catted header
2: Mini-cat or spacer on 2nd O2 sensor
3: Relocate 2nd O2 sensor behind 2nd cat
4: ECUtek or BRZedit tune to eliminate CEL

I'm not sure how strict PA is but here in MD I passed 3 times with a turbo and no cats using only a spacer on the 2nd O2 sensor.

StormTrooper 07-11-2013 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Raven604 (Post 1060443)
HAHAHA

Not sure why you're laughing.... The catted STX legal header should be for sale this month, the more agressive design will follow shortly

rainmonkey 07-11-2013 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clintavo (Post 1060423)
The UEL headers are pretty hard to spot unless you're looking. Just have to make sure there is no CEL.
I live in California and bought the car out of state. That means I have to smog it now, and every 2 years henceforth. The real question is whether or not the remaining CAT is sufficient to pass the sniffer.

Have you had to test already? I'm curious about this since I might be moving to the bay area. I'd love to get headers but the whole emissions check is scaring me.

FRSBRZGT86FAN 07-11-2013 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy (Post 1060468)
The key to passing emission testing in most states is to be CEL free. There are 4 ways to do this while running a header.

1: Catted header
2: Mini-cat or spacer on 2nd O2 sensor
3: Relocate 2nd O2 sensor behind 2nd cat
4: ECUtek or BRZedit tune to eliminate CEL

I'm not sure how strict PA is but here in MD I passed 3 times with a turbo and no cats using only a spacer on the 2nd O2 sensor.

That's what I was thinking thank you very much for clearing that up, the thing is thats really one of the only ways to get 200 WHP NA so the FRS/BRZ can defend themselves

FRSBRZGT86FAN 07-11-2013 02:36 PM

So in the end the key to 200 whp, is full header-back exhaust, headers, intake, tune

ramiram1984 07-11-2013 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 1061605)
So in the end the key to 200 whp, is full header-back exhaust, headers, intake, tune


...and don't forget stickers.

FRSBRZGT86FAN 07-11-2013 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramiram1984 (Post 1061617)
...and don't forget stickers.

LOTS of stickers

Fast_Freddy 07-11-2013 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 1061605)
So in the end the key to 200 whp, is full header-back exhaust, headers, intake, tune

Sadly, that won't be enough to reach 200whp except maybe in ideal conditions on a very generous dyno. You'll also need to run E85 with a E85 tune which should get you the missing 15-20whp. I'm pretty sure that no one has reached 200whp without E85.

All things considered I decided to go with the Innovate SC and pass on the $100 per whp stuff. $3700 for 220whp/193wtq on 93 with stock intake and exhaust.


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