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FT-86 SpeedFactory 07-08-2013 07:05 PM

DME Lower Control Arms and DME Toe Arms - Review
 
Wanted to share this with you guys as another good option for rear end camber and toe correction.

NRG Innovations produces a line called DME and in that they have lower control arms and toe arms for the Scion FR-S, Subaru BRZ, and Toyota GT-86. These are an affordable solution that adds the camber and toe adjustment we need on our cars. An added bonus is they look good as well. :)

The LCA's have a solid bushing ( no pillow ball like Cusco ) so for some AutoX classes that is important. The Toe arms are pretty simple and offer more adjustment than a sane person should need. Same goes for the camber you can get enough camber to look like the DeLorean from Back to the Future if you choose to.

Anyway picture time!

Lower Control Arms

http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/DMES004.JPG

http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/DMES004-1.JPG

http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/DMES004-2.JPG

http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/DMES004-3.JPG

http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/DMES004-4.JPG

http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/DMES004-5.JPG

http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/DMES004-6.JPG

Toe Arms

http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/DMES003toe.JPG

http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/DMES003toe-1.JPG

http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/DMES003toe-2.JPG

http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/DMES003toe-3.JPG

http://ft86speedfactory.com/images/DMES003toe-4.JPG




omegared19 07-08-2013 07:35 PM

Those control arms look pretty sweet. I especially like the two posts going across the top of the boxed arm for added rigidity.

Overland'n'5thGEN 07-09-2013 12:35 AM

Are the rear arms the same spec as stock as far as height? Or do they lower the car a bit?

Do like these and they would look good on a Hot Lava.

E46toFT86 07-09-2013 12:47 AM

What's the pricing on these bad boys?

JDMSushi 07-09-2013 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E46toFT86 (Post 1054176)
What's the pricing on these bad boys?

+1

Overland'n'5thGEN 07-09-2013 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E46toFT86 (Post 1054176)
What's the pricing on these bad boys?


Quote:

Originally Posted by JDMSushi (Post 1054228)
+1

It's on their site.

OICU812 07-09-2013 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by FT-86 SpeedFactory (Post 1053297)

The LCA's have a solid bushing ( no pillow ball like Cusco ) so for some AutoX classes that is important.

Just curious on this comment, bushing vs pillowball, guess I don't understand the difference on how it works or changes things on the car? LCAs are last thing I haven't got yet...well that and coils...

continuecrushing 07-09-2013 06:38 AM

I like the color!

empower-auto 07-09-2013 11:03 PM

steel control arms? looks great, except for being hell to adjust, like cusco's

FT-86 SpeedFactory 07-10-2013 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by empower-auto (Post 1056914)
steel control arms? looks great, except for being hell to adjust, like cusco's

Cuscos are super easy.... :iono: These will be as well.

King Tut 07-10-2013 04:59 PM

Cuscos are super easy? If by easy you mean, having to drop the control arm from the subframe to adjust it.

FT-86 SpeedFactory 07-10-2013 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1058926)
Cuscos are super easy? If by easy you mean, having to drop the control arm from the subframe to adjust it.

If you set the adjustment out before you install it and then just use the one section to adjust it isn't bad at all. Easy to get a wrench in there.

If you leave it how they come out of the box, then yeah they are a pain.

wheelhaus 07-10-2013 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OICU812 (Post 1054323)
Just curious on this comment, bushing vs pillowball, guess I don't understand the difference on how it works or changes things on the car? LCAs are last thing I haven't got yet...well that and coils...

Bushings are typically a very firm rubber or polyurethane and flex/squish when the joint bends. Soft rubber is used when NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) are not wanted, such as on a typical sedan or luxury car. This also reduces feedback, can make the car feel vague when driven hard because the suspension geometry distorts under high load, causing the wheel's alignment to give. A firm enough durometer can make a bushing feel much more responsive by maintaining suspension geometry under such loads. This mostly becomes an issue with high grip tires and other suspension upgrades.

Pillowball joints (a.k.a. heim joints) use a metal ball in a metal socket with a liner made of teflon or other material to act as a lubricant. This style of joint has zero flex and will not distort under load, so it's ideal for competition use, and provides the highest degree of feedback to the driver on exactly what the car is doing. However, it has the highest chance of transmitting NVH. Because it's a moving ball and socket, it has a higher potential for physical wear and deterioration. Typically these are reserved for track only cars, race cars, or other competition vehicles because of the NVH and exposure to the elements isn't ideal for a daily driver.

For autoX or other competition event that classifies cars into specific categories or classes, such an upgrade (to pillowball joints) could be considered an advantage and may be disallowed for certain classes.

Persionally I'd stick with firm bushings for ease of maintenance unless there's a pillowball system that's virtually indestructible and immune to any/all wear.

Brzzee 07-11-2013 11:19 PM

So do the pillow balls used by Cusco meet with your criterion?


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