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ft86me 07-07-2013 05:10 PM

vortech belt change
 
anyone do this yet or have an idea of the steps to perform in order to do the change? any help would be great.

Pete 07-07-2013 05:14 PM

I haven't yet but I think @Chris@Phastek changed his belt after some wear at the track.

ft86me 07-07-2013 05:17 PM

@Chris@Phastek true story? would you be able to point me in the right direction with regards on how to do the belt change?

charged86 07-08-2013 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ft86me (Post 1050860)
@Chris@Phastek true story? would you be able to point me in the right direction with regards on how to do the belt change?


probably have to pull the blower.

tg_1981 07-08-2013 08:47 PM

Just snapped my belt today. I am assuming you have to take off the blower since you had it off when you installed it. Has anyone upgraded the belt to the race version?

DJCarbine 07-08-2013 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tg_1981 (Post 1053536)
Just snapped my belt today. I am assuming you have to take off the blower since you had it off when you installed it. Has anyone upgraded the belt to the race version?

How many miles on the belt?

Makes me want to think about stopping by autozone and picking a spare up....

Most of them have it in stock, autozone PN 975K6

tg_1981 07-08-2013 09:09 PM

4,000 miles on the supercharger
Quote:

Originally Posted by DJCarbine (Post 1053551)
How many miles on the belt?

Makes me want to think about stopping by autozone and picking a spare up....

Most of them have it in stock, autozone PN 975K6


Adeets 07-08-2013 09:14 PM

Root cause of failure?

tg_1981 07-08-2013 09:17 PM

seems like the idler pulley seized causing the belt to snap. Will know tomorrow in the am when it gets taken apart.

cb7tuner 07-08-2013 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tg_1981 (Post 1053601)
seems like the idler pulley seized causing the belt to snap. Will know tomorrow in the am when it gets taken apart.

No joke this happened to me as well yesterday, belt shredded and my idler pulley on the compressor assembly looks melted in the center and off balanced and the lip is chewed off (4500 miles on my kit to). Bought a new belt and idler pulley at autozone its a 3" dayco pulley part # 89003, I contacted vortech about this today and I was told I needed to send the bad parts to them for them to be looked at and determine the cause first. I'm not going to do that since that will leave my car down for at least a week. When I easily fixed the problem myself for $35 in one day, it would cost like $20 just to ship the damn bad parts out there. Not a big deal but definatley not something I expected from a $5k kit. Pics... And more later of the pulley after I removed it since my phones acting weird
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...psf12bc706.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ps2c69caf4.jpg
Lip of the plastic pulley I found melted off in the bay
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ps9598163f.jpg
Shredded belt
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ps124a3eff.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...psba61e0cf.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...psf0b185af.jpg

Dezoris 07-08-2013 10:35 PM

I was just doing a video about this.
You have to pull the blower. Fun right?

Anyway in case you guys need to know its the same belt on all the Azera and Genesis 3.8L V6 and Sonata 3.3L.

There are two options:

Gates K060975 OEM belt.
Gates K060975RB racing belt which is stiffer more resistent to stretching and twice the price. (Blue Color)
@tg_1981 please post pics of which pulley and root cause if you can.

MATTrocity 07-08-2013 10:51 PM

my belt was tore up also. very few miles. a lot of the leftover bits were near the center of the blower

tg_1981 07-08-2013 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezoris (Post 1053814)
I was just doing a video about this.
You have to pull the blower. Fun right?

Anyway in case you guys need to know its the same belt on all the Azera and Genesis 3.8L V6 and Sonata 3.3L.

There are two options:

Gates K060975 OEM belt.
Gates K060975RB racing belt which is stiffer more resistent to stretching and twice the price. (Blue Color)
@tg_1981 please post pics of which pulley and root cause if you can.

I only have a pic of the belt on the ground. The root cause I suspect is the idler pulley since it was the only pulley that was locked up. Once the car cooled down some the idler pulley was able to spin somewhat freely again. Sorry for the size of the picture i used my iphone and was not sure what size to use on the forum.

Dezoris 07-09-2013 03:31 AM

I posted this in the other thread as an FYI

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ovXSuQ33Ss"]FR-S BRZ Vortech Pulley and Intake Tube Problem - YouTube[/ame]

ft86me 07-09-2013 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezoris (Post 1054491)
I posted this in the other thread as an FYI

FR-S BRZ Vortech Pulley and Intake Tube Problem - YouTube

awesome vid dude!

Sniper2606 07-09-2013 03:52 AM

Has anybody contacted Vortech yet?

See if they can re design this shit and send everyone a replacement

Edit: Just checked mine and same story here

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2c1be056.jpg

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/...ps27c506a5.jpg

Starting to regret this purchase, should of waited for the Innovate twin screw

Dezoris 07-09-2013 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RedAlert (Post 1055267)


Well this is what I found and put in the video, this is the only choice is to run the pipe in a higher position to avoid everything else except the hood insulation. So the question is how long before that downward pressure forces the pipe downwards.

How much is the pipe shifting under the hood when closed?
Like in my case I had clearance sometimes, and then with heat expansion sometimes not.

reyruiz191 07-09-2013 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sniper2606 (Post 1054510)
Has anybody contacted Vortech yet?

See if they can re design this shit and send everyone a replacement

Edit: Just checked mine and same story here



Starting to regret this purchase, should of waited for the Innovate twin screw

I dont think we should regret this purchase due to a few issues here and there. We all knew there were risks involved being one of the first with the kits. The reality of doing things first to a completely new car is that we're the ones that are going to find the issues that need to be fixed for the people that buy in the future.

jamesm 07-09-2013 01:57 PM

The pipe is bolted to the engine, which moves. This would seem to mean that even if you get it to where it doesn't contact the frame rail sitting still, it probably will when the engine is moving around under acceleration and what not.

DJCarbine 07-09-2013 02:02 PM

If someone local wants to swing by and compare that tube.... maybe its just differences between tube runs that is causing some people to have this problem more so than others

Dezoris 07-09-2013 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RedAlert (Post 1055344)
Mine was installed in April, and has always been in contact with the hood insulation. Notice the mark on the intake tube from insulation laying/contacting it. I cant remember if my hood jumped up when the hood release was pulled back in April. That indentation in the insulation doesn't move (pop out). So there is no spring action/hood pop up when the hood is released. I can grab that intake tube a with a lot of force try to move it, and it doesn't budge. I tried moving it twice during my lunch break. I think I noticed in your video the hood pop open from pressure of laying on tube? Unfortunately some of you guys are having this clearance issue. I'm sure Vortech will fix it.

Its also possible it's a variation in the tube manufacturing, some fit better than others.

When it comes down to it there are plenty of potential factors, from install, to alignment, to collar adjustment, temperature etc.

Dezoris 07-09-2013 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DJCarbine (Post 1055356)
If someone local wants to swing by and compare that tube.... maybe its just differences between tube runs that is causing some people to have this problem more so than others

What town you live in?

DJCarbine 07-09-2013 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezoris (Post 1055367)
What town you live in?

La Grange Park

jamesm 07-09-2013 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedAlert (Post 1055350)
Very good point.

Quick question??? Wouldn't the pulley torque with the engine also? The whole thing/pulley/intake tube/motor would torque?? I believe the flex would fall back to the coupling between the tubes?

You can see the clearence in my pics. Never any contact of pulley lip to intake tube. Belt still looks good.

It would, but the other point of contact that you have to avoid near the headlight does not. So, if you get it all adjusted properly so that it doesn't touch the pulley, you'll want to make a couple WOT runs and check for contact between that area and the pipe afterwards.

Dezoris 07-09-2013 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJCarbine (Post 1055369)
La Grange Park

You are an hour from me, we will have to meet up on a Weekend. Maybe next week?

DJCarbine 07-09-2013 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezoris (Post 1055424)
You are an hour from me, we will have to meet up on a Weekend. Maybe next week?

Sounds good, shoot me a PM when the time comes :thumbsup:

Darryljr11 07-14-2013 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedAlert (Post 1055384)
Gotcha, hopefully an 1/8" is enough for the vertical passenger pipe? Might have to consider getting stiffer motor mounts. Or split some rubber tube and put between vertical tube and frame. Will look into it. Also, I wonder if the rubber coupling will take up any of the torque movement. I read a comment that the ECU could maybe misinterpret metal on metal contact as knock and pull timing. Not to jump off topic, but I am going to datalog timing for my tune. I have two maps. The 13.9 quarter mile runs were done on map 1 and map 2, back to back.

Ill be comparing your vortech fitment to mine at the meet next Saturday.

kiichiro 11-07-2014 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cb7tuner (Post 1053811)
No joke this happened to me as well yesterday, belt shredded and my idler pulley on the compressor assembly looks melted in the center and off balanced and the lip is chewed off (4500 miles on my kit to). Bought a new belt and idler pulley at autozone its a 3" dayco pulley part # 89003, I contacted vortech about this today and I was told I needed to send the bad parts to them for them to be looked at and determine the cause first. I'm not going to do that since that will leave my car down for at least a week. When I easily fixed the problem myself for $35 in one day, it would cost like $20 just to ship the damn bad parts out there. Not a big deal but definatley not something I expected from a $5k kit. Pics... And more later of the pulley after I removed it since my phones acting
Lip of the plastic pulley I found melted off in the bay

It's been stellar for me on the street
But I tend to drive it like a monkey and call it testing just cause I, collecting data
Fuel delivery is my biggest issue, not the pump side but the physical fuel availability in the bowl or sump
But that aside, back to the belt

When u turn the smaller pullies or run e85 and make more power or run a ebcs the belt and the kit seems to not like two things, lots of power and sudden delivery of power, and loss of power, bouncing off limiter kills belts fastest at 14 psi

I usually deal with it

Pay the piper like one ought to expect to, running it race at all the time in heat

I only have issues with belts trackside, where it often counts most. This alone makes me want to try a turbo, but I know that animal has other beasts of heat to contend with amd I don't like any of the in front of motor turbo designs

Avo was the only vendor who has it down low, it's been eons since I looked at turbo kits, you guys know, correct me, who else makes a turbo that does t heat up my rad, belts or motor .?

Street setup with 3.33 has been 50k miles a belt so I can't complain on her daily driver
My track car I a, running thru belts like they outta style every like ten sessions before, more frequently now. I just sapped to some new pullies lets see if it brings belt life back

Now, what track proven turbo kits are there ?:coolpics:


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