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Gen 06-30-2013 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by whitefrs (Post 1035108)
Awesome

I had a bung welded on to the intake before the turbo. The kit really should have come this way. You don't want to plug it.

whitefrs 06-30-2013 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Gen (Post 1035389)
I had a bung welded on to the intake before the turbo. The kit really should have come this way.

Can u show me a pic?

Frs300 06-30-2013 09:19 AM

why not just vent it to atmosphere

whitefrs 06-30-2013 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Frs300 (Post 1035493)
why not just vent it to atmosphere

I did added a filter

Gen 06-30-2013 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by whitefrs (Post 1035391)
Can u show me a pic?

Car is being worked on at the moment, so I can't snap a pic until tomorrow, but in regard to venting to atmosphere, when I spoke to Crawford about this they indicated you'd lose power and it's generally not something desirable to do.

whitefrs 06-30-2013 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gen (Post 1036113)
Car is being worked on at the moment, so I can't snap a pic until tomorrow, but in regard to venting to atmosphere, when I spoke to Crawford about this they indicated you'd lose power and it's generally not something desirable to do.

Yep they told me the same thing but i then why do D3 performance and many other has them to blow to the atmosphere

Gen 06-30-2013 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by whitefrs (Post 1036159)
Yep they told me the same thing but i then why do D3 performance and many other has them to blow to the atmosphere

Quite honestly I don't know enough about it to answer intelligibly and defer to others that have a better understanding. From what Crawford explained, you want the crankcase to be under vacuum and you don't want oil leaking onto the road. As far as D3 goes, no idea.

mad_sb 07-01-2013 09:20 AM

They don't have any diagrams of the inside of the can so it's difficult to tell for sure how you need to connect it with a boosted application.. but i am guessing, since any oil caught is supposed to drain out the bottom port, the can has no internal separation and as a result it's not doing anything good in the current configuration.

Fairly sure the way that is plumbed right now you are sucking unmetered air into the intake manifold when off boost and blowing metered air our the when under boost. That may be part of the reason your fuel trims are all over the place.

For the time being, you should take the can out of the equation and put the system back like it was before you installed the can.

For that can to work properly it needs to be a closed system. You will need a bung pre turbo (as others have said) to connect to the port that is open. you also want a good check valve between the can and the intake manifold port so it will not pressurize the can under boost pressure. The stock pcv valve is on the block side so as soon as you go in boost the charge is filling the can and running out the open port and back into the block on the connected intake side port.

I honestly think you would be better off with 2 separate 2 port cans and a couple of crankvents (http://www.et-performance.com/automotive.html)... the idea draining the caught nasty back into the oil system is.. well... nasty.

whitefrs 07-01-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mad_sb (Post 1037151)
They don't have any diagrams of the inside of the can so it's difficult to tell for sure how you need to connect it with a boosted application.. but i am guessing, since any oil caught is supposed to drain out the bottom port, the can has no internal separation and as a result it's not doing anything good in the current configuration.

Fairly sure the way that is plumbed right now you are sucking unmetered air into the intake manifold when off boost and blowing metered air our the when under boost. That may be part of the reason your fuel trims are all over the place.

For the time being, you should take the can out of the equation and put the system back like it was before you installed the can.

For that can to work properly it needs to be a closed system. You will need a bung pre turbo (as others have said) to connect to the port that is open. you also want a good check valve between the can and the intake manifold port so it will not pressurize the can under boost pressure. The stock pcv valve is on the block side so as soon as you go in boost the charge is filling the can and running out the open port and back into the block on the connected intake side port.

I honestly think you would be better off with 2 separate 2 port cans and a couple of crankvents (http://www.et-performance.com/automotive.html)... the idea draining the caught nasty back into the oil system is.. well... nasty.

Will take it off tonight and will go with d3 performance one

King Tut 07-01-2013 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Gen (Post 1036113)
Car is being worked on at the moment, so I can't snap a pic until tomorrow, but in regard to venting to atmosphere, when I spoke to Crawford about this they indicated you'd lose power and it's generally not something desirable to do.

They have also blown motors and had their car performing poorly in two videos now, so I don't know that I would take my advice from them. Venting to atmosphere definitely won't hurt your car. If you plug that extra port then the vacuum from the back of the intake manifold should still pull on both the PCV and the front port.

King Tut 07-01-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Gen (Post 1036195)
Quite honestly I don't know enough about it to answer intelligibly and defer to others that have a better understanding. From what Crawford explained, you want the crankcase to be under vacuum and you don't want oil leaking onto the road. As far as D3 goes, no idea.

Until someone shows me gains when pulling vacuum on the crankcase, then I will stick with vented. I don't want that oily air going through my engine.

whitefrs 07-01-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1037263)
Until someone shows me gains when pulling vacuum on the crankcase, then I will stick with vented. I don't want that oily air going through my engine.

So having a filter is ok?

Gen 07-01-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1037259)
They have also blown motors and had their car performing poorly in two videos now, so I don't know that I would take my advice from them. Venting to atmosphere definitely won't hurt your car. If you plug that extra port then the vacuum from the back of the intake manifold should still pull on both the PCV and the front port.

Fair enough--last I heard, they were up to 4.

whitefrs 07-01-2013 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Gen (Post 1037320)
Fair enough--last I heard, they were up to 4.

4 engines??? Holy shit


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