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west2k95 03-04-2012 01:52 AM

Question for BRZ and GT-87 hps?
 
Hi, i am new to this forum, so please excuse me if i post this in the wrong place.
But i have been looking into these 2 cars and they have the same engines which is about only 200 Hp?

I read that the BRZ will have a STI package which gives gets it to 300 Hp? is this true? if so are they going to do the same for the GT? I really would like to know this because i find 200 HP to be really slow.

Thanks in advance.

Alias 03-04-2012 01:55 AM

Nope, there is no package available from sti that will increase HP in any way.

They have released a sample car with weight reduction but as far as I have heard there is no current plan for STI to make a package to give the car 100 extra horsepower.

If that's what you're looking for this honestly is probably not the car for you. There are lots of better options out there with a lot more HP for around the same price.

CSSM 03-04-2012 01:56 AM

There are no released plans to have a 300hp model or turbo model. This car is light enough that it is fast enough with 200hp, look at the Elise with 189 hp. If you want a powerful car get a Camaro, the 86 is made for fun

86'd 03-04-2012 01:59 AM

The gt87 has 0 horsepower because it doesn't exist.

Chupacabra 03-04-2012 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by west2k95 (Post 148348)
Hi, i am new to this forum, so please excuse me if i post this in the wrong place.
But i have been looking into these 2 cars and they have the same engines which is about only 200 Hp?

I read that the BRZ will have a STI package which gives gets it to 300 Hp? is this true? if so are they going to do the same for the GT? I really would like to know this because i find 200 HP to be really slow.

Thanks in advance.

Hello and welcome.

If you have never been on an automotive forum before that is fine, ft86club members and its moderators ask that you use the search button.

In an effort to prevent new threads from popping up hourly, this is a simple request.

Have a good evening, we look forward to providing you with answers moving forward.

Future 03-04-2012 01:59 AM

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Chupacabra 03-04-2012 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86'd (Post 148357)
The gt87 has 0 horsepower because it doesn't exist.

I just noticed that...

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d_d76/slap.gif

fatoni 03-04-2012 02:36 AM

just buy a mustang gt. they can be had for like 25k right now brand new

nate89 03-04-2012 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by west2k95 (Post 148348)
blah blah blah... i find 200 HP to be really slow.

Caterham 7 CSR 200:

0-60 mph: 3.7 seconds

It's all relative :burnrubber:

ahausheer 03-04-2012 02:38 AM

Do you really find 200 hp slow or is it just lower than many competitors? The
Miata, a perennial handling favorite among automotive journalists has a lot less, but it is still regarded as one heck of a fun car.

tachi1247 03-04-2012 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSSM (Post 148354)
There are no released plans to have a 300hp model or turbo model. This car is light enough that it is fast enough with 200hp, look at the Elise with 189 hp. If you want a powerful car get a Camaro, the 86 is made for fun

the Elise weighs almost 1000 lbs less and has more torque.

Its crazy to think that more power in this car will diminish it in any way.

gt86mods 03-04-2012 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tachi1247 (Post 148392)
the Elise weighs almost 1000 lbs less and has more torque.

Its crazy to think that more power in this car will diminish it in any way.

I don't think anyone is insinuating that adding power to this platform will ruin the car, but this car was created with balance in mind. In a 2700lb production street car 200hp is the perfect formula. Any more and you're wasting horsepower, you can only use so much on the street.

I had an 08 335i and honestly one of the things that I disliked about it the most was when you would ring it out through 2nd you're already breaking the speed limit...what's the point of having a car with so much power when you can't have fun using it every day without fear of losing your license?

That's the point of this car, usable power for the true enthusiast. If you can't accept that then go buy something else. I feel that anyone who knows what true driving enjoyment is about will understand this car. People who are all about status and numbers will be disappointed. I love it, it makes it easy to pick out the people who...yeah nvm.

gdi2290 03-04-2012 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gt86mods (Post 148406)
I had an 08 335i and honestly one of the things that I disliked about it the most was when you would ring it out through 2nd you're already breaking the speed limit...what's the point of having a car with so much power when you can't have fun using it every day without fear of losing your license?

is there a correct term for this? blue balls

czar07 03-04-2012 12:17 PM

seriously guys hes a troll, why bother?

#87 03-04-2012 12:23 PM

Gl with your transition from a land cruiser to a FRS goals in 2012

cassidy0998 03-04-2012 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by czar07 (Post 148480)
seriously guys hes a troll, why bother?

He's not a troll he's just uninformed. Forums are here for people to communicate, ask questions, etc.

velocity 03-04-2012 06:24 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdSJFrhb-HM

86design 03-04-2012 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSSM (Post 148354)
There are no released plans to have a 300hp model or turbo model. This car is light enough that it is fast enough with 200hp, look at the Elise with 189 hp. If you want a powerful car get a Camaro, the 86 is made for fun


i love this :happyanim:

Dark 03-04-2012 08:18 PM

Miata with 160hp still kicks my whale ass IS250 with 204hp. Who needs more power? drag racer and horsepower hungry people?

Guff 03-04-2012 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chupacabra (Post 148358)
Hello and welcome.

If you have never been on an automotive forum before that is fine, ft86club members and its moderators ask that you use the search button.

In an effort to prevent new threads from popping up hourly, this is a simple request.

Have a good evening, we look forward to providing you with answers moving forward.

Let's make it more apparent.

Hello and welcome.

If you have never been on an automotive forum before that is fine, ft86club members and its moderators ask that you use the search button.

In an effort to prevent new threads from popping up hourly, this is a simple request.

Have a good evening, we look forward to providing you with answers moving forward.

Chupacabra 03-04-2012 08:44 PM

^^^Hey, that's me! Thanks Guff for the reiteration.

Sall 03-04-2012 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by west2k95 (Post 148348)
Hi, i am new to this forum, so please excuse me if i post this in the wrong place.
But i have been looking into these 2 cars and they have the same engines which is about only 200 Hp?

I read that the BRZ will have a STI package which gives gets it to 300 Hp? is this true? if so are they going to do the same for the GT? I really would like to know this because i find 200 HP to be really slow.

Thanks in advance.

I know were supposed to be nice and respecful with all members in this forum but with this kind of threads from"new" members sometimes is very hard man:paddle:

MrBonus 03-04-2012 09:03 PM

How could someone with a 2001 Land Cruiser, with its 230 horsepower and 5115 pound curb weight, find the BRZ/FR-S to be slow?

velocity 03-04-2012 09:14 PM

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Varvs 03-04-2012 09:42 PM

I do not understand the disdain for new threads when the site is so young. then youd probably whinge that someone is reviving an old thread....

if theres no new posts theres nothing to discuss. is that what we would prefer?

Chupacabra 03-04-2012 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varvs (Post 148864)
I do not understand the disdain for new threads when the site is so young. then youd probably whinge that someone is reviving an old thread....

if theres no new posts theres nothing to discuss. is that what we would prefer?

There isn't disdain for new threads. The disdain stems from people who create new threads who do not simply utilize the search function of this young forum.

The reality that we are facing in infancy is to reduce unnecessary threads such as one that states 'Question for BRZ and GT-87 hps' when information is clearly available all over the place.

YaX 03-04-2012 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varvs (Post 148864)
I do not understand the disdain for new threads when the site is so young. then youd probably whinge that someone is reviving an old thread....

if theres no new posts theres nothing to discuss. is that what we would prefer?

So, what happens when there's a 10's of thousands of BRZ's and FR-S's on the road, with "real" information about technical tips, aftermarket mods, racing, club meetings and so forth flooding into the forum from enthusiast owners?

99% of these preliminary threads will be forgotten and buried under a deluge of valuable "real" knowledge that can be searched and referenced. To keep the redundant threads to a minimum and driving the newbs to search before starting a thread is just smart management of the forum at this point.

Sall 03-04-2012 10:23 PM

:happy0180:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chupacabra (Post 148876)
There isn't disdain for new threads. The disdain stems from people who create new threads who do not simply utilize the search function of this young forum.

The reality that we are facing in infancy is to reduce unnecessary threads such as one that states 'Question for BRZ and GT-87 hps' when information is clearly available all over the place.


NERO 03-04-2012 10:46 PM

No offense to the OP, but those that know this little about a product, usually don't know what to ask to find the information that they don't know. The searches usually lead them all over the place which could lead to multiple threads in different areas all over the forum. I for one favor one mislead thread.

Either way OP, there are no plans to make a more powerful version of this vehicle. Its already been mentioned but many who are so caught up in HP numbers will never truly understand the point of this car. Light, agile, nimble, direct responsiveness from the driver, etc..

There are going to be dozens of aftermarket companies that are going to be working on forces induction platforms for the vehicle once it launches. It's much easier to add HP to a car then remove weight. Think of it this way, they have already set you up with the perfect platform to work on. All you have to do is add the performance parts you want instead of worrying about stripping shit out of it on top of that.

Chupacabra 03-05-2012 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sall (Post 148893)
:happy0180:

I'll have one with you Sall, but you're driving.

.......And there is a discussion with a FAQ sticky being put up within the forum format. So everyone hang tight and just tolerate threads such as these in the mean time.

Varvs 03-05-2012 01:38 AM

I guess I just see people screaming "use search" as people that feel like they have to prove they already know the answer and wont share it simply because it makes them feel better about themselves and wielding what little power they have over people.

searching forums in general, in my looooong internet experience is a waste of time.

Guff 03-05-2012 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varvs (Post 149039)
I guess I just see people screaming "use search" as people that feel like they have to prove they already know the answer and wont share it simply because it makes them feel better about themselves and wielding what little power they have over people.

searching forums in general, in my looooong internet experience is a waste of time.

Trust me, we answered these questions the last 8 times somebody posted a new thread. It gets frustrating to have to repeat yourself when both parties could save so much time of that person had just searched for it.

Your long Internet experience must have been on some pretty shitty forums because I usually find anything and everything I need when I search on FT86 Club.

Sall 03-05-2012 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guff (Post 149056)
Trust me, we answered these questions the last 8 times somebody posted a new thread. It gets frustrating to have to repeat yourself when both parties could save so much time of that person had just searched for it.

Your long Internet experience must have been on some pretty shitty forums because I usually find anything and everything I need when I search on FT86 Club.

100% agree with you dude:thumbup:

Canibuz 03-05-2012 02:17 AM

If you go to any mature automotive forum the same attitude is taken. Most of the users here have at some point in time been a member of another auto forum. Hell I know I have, so its the norm. Hell I went 100 posts on a forum with every reply of mine including a link to lmgtfy.com where the answer was usually within the top three results.

Capt Canuck 03-05-2012 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varvs (Post 149039)
I guess I just see people screaming "use search" as people that feel like they have to prove they already know the answer and wont share it simply because it makes them feel better about themselves and wielding what little power they have over people.

searching forums in general, in my looooong internet experience is a waste of time.

Have you tried using :search:
... boo-yaa!!! Eff me I feel so much better about myself right now :party0030:
Take that powerless, knowledge-lackers!!!

Torquesteered 03-05-2012 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guff (Post 149056)
Trust me, we answered these questions the last 8 times somebody posted a new thread. It gets frustrating to have to repeat yourself when both parties could save so much time of that person had just searched for it.

Your long Internet experience must have been on some pretty shitty forums because I usually find anything and everything I need when I search on FT86 Club.

Somebody twisting your arm? Holding a gun to yor head?
10 people saying use the search when 1 answer can end the thread and save wasted time.And nobody needs to look like a forum cop with nothing better to do then tell noobs to use the search... If you don't wanat to be helpfull that's cool, but why post then?
Just sayin'

serialk11r 03-05-2012 04:25 AM

Hence I think it's a good idea to have as many consolidated info threads as possible and just link when these threads arise. I think it's time we have one on mpg, I see several mpg questions pop up everyday.

SUB-FT86 03-05-2012 06:27 AM

I think when a lot of people say this car is underpowered with "200hp" they really mean to say it's lacking torque. 200 hp is a great amount for this cars weight but people should understand the difference in what they are saying. If this car made 200hp@6500rpms/185tq@4000 rpms it would feel more powerful in day to day driving than the 200hp@7000 rpms/151tq@6600rpms.

serialk11r 03-05-2012 06:44 AM

Sheesh SUB, just pretend the rev counter isn't there, and you won't have these issues with the car "feeling" slow :P

OrbitalEllipses 03-05-2012 07:19 AM

The reality is that 151lb-ft of torque is kind of pathetic in this day and age, even if the car only weighs 2800.


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