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nonicname 06-21-2013 11:36 AM

FRS depreciates faster than BRZ?
 
I've noticed A LOT of FRS with less than 5k miles go for under $22k all over the place.
My local BMW dealer had one for $21,500 with only 6k miles on it.
I've noticed that BRZs remain around $26k except for a few rare ones.

I've also heard of people buying brand new BRZs for less than Scion's "pure" pricing so it sounds like based on how the Subarus hold their value they are simply a better buy EVEN if you end up paying $1k more.

Subarus have always been good at holding their value but not Scions.
thoughts?

losjackal 06-21-2013 11:47 AM

Looking on Cars.com, there are 143 FR-S under 10k miles, priced between $22k and $32k. Two-thirds of them are listed over $24k, roughly. There are also 43 BRZ between $24k and $31k. Two-thirds of them are listed over $26.5k, roughly.

So I think your FR-S estimated prices are a little low.

Mikem53 06-21-2013 11:54 AM

There are more scions made than subies.. As per toyotas say so..
Not surprising to see more FRS's available up for sale..

strat61caster 06-21-2013 11:56 AM

Don't forget the absurd markups and "options" some of the Subaru dealers are charging, initial buyers are still probably hurting from that and are trying to recoup that loss.

Perihelion 06-21-2013 12:57 PM

The subies cost more to begin with, so to say that the FRS depreciates faster wouldn't really make sense, ya'know?

kthxbai 06-21-2013 01:40 PM

Simple explanation is supply vs demand. Used BRZs are more difficult to come by, relative to the FRS, because of the supply ratio that Subaru & Toyota agreed upon. Couple the lower supply of BRZ with more "bells & whistles" available on the car, usually means dealers will justify asking for more for the car. There is one thing in pricing between a used BRZ and FRS, price can be negotiable so for those looking to haggle or want the satisfaction of jousting with a dealer on OTD price, happy shopping!

gily25 06-21-2013 02:33 PM

Lots of factors. They've sold more, the "perception" of FR-S being the one people are going to mod, the insurance rates, people trying to price at a rate where buying used makes sense (there aren't many used BRZs around let alone many new ones.

Tromatic 06-21-2013 06:43 PM

I didn't buy it with resale value in mind.

Grey 06-21-2013 07:04 PM

If you're worried about depreciation this soon you probably shouldn't have bought a new car.

hanabie 06-21-2013 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grey (Post 1017259)
If you're worried about depreciation this soon you probably shouldn't have bought a new car.

and probably look at something like corolla, camry or accord.
I never look at resale value when buying this car.

Grey 06-21-2013 07:10 PM

It just seems to me that if you're considering what you can sell a car for less than a year after it's been released, you're not in the best financial situation to be spending money on a new car. That's just poor finance management and bad decision making.

(Which I think is why so many are for sale – impulse buyers that couldn't afford it in the first place, or repossessions)

hanabie 06-21-2013 07:14 PM

or they are simply rich. I'm jealous, but I still think that is pretty absurd.

whaap 06-21-2013 07:28 PM

There's a local dealer that has a FR-S with 9,500 miles and he's asking more than I paid for mine new. I haven't seen a used BRZ for sale.

thill 06-21-2013 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grey (Post 1017278)
It just seems to me that if you're considering what you can sell a car for less than a year after it's been released, you're not in the best financial situation to be spending money on a new car. That's just poor finance management and bad decision making.

(Which I think is why so many are for sale – impulse buyers that couldn't afford it in the first place, or repossessions)

When I purchased my BRZ from my local Subaru dealer they had 2 used Fr-S's on the lot (red one, black one). One had 8k miles I think and the other had 4k miles. I asked me salesman why they were traded in he told me both were traded in for BRZ Limited's and that the owners wanted more options.

Smart? No. I am guessing the owners easily lost $3-4K when you factor in taxes, tags, etc. I would not have done it.


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