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sw20kosh 06-19-2013 01:59 AM

Intake Air Temperature
 
I tried doing a search but couldn't find an answer. Does anyone know which (if any) turbo/supercharger kits use a new air intake temperature sensor in order to read the air post turbo/supercharger instead of at the MAF (pre-turbo)?

Or do all the kits just relocate the MAF/IAT unit to post intercooler (down stream of intercooler)

jamesm 06-19-2013 02:14 AM

on my kit they did a blow-through maf. the intake temps were around 105deg with 95deg ambient during test runs.

No Limit Motorsport 06-19-2013 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 1010600)
I tried doing a search but couldn't find an answer. Does anyone know which (if any) turbo/supercharger kits use a new air intake temperature sensor in order to read the air post turbo/supercharger instead of at the MAF (pre-turbo)?

Or do all the kits just relocate the MAF/IAT unit to post intercooler (down stream of intercooler)

I don't know of any that use a seperate IAT sensor yet. However I bet once we get full speed density tuning, you will see people making the switch and ditching the MAF altogether. I will be doing this for sure.

Sportsguy83 06-19-2013 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 1010600)
I tried doing a search but couldn't find an answer. Does anyone know which (if any) turbo/supercharger kits use a new air intake temperature sensor in order to read the air post turbo/supercharger instead of at the MAF (pre-turbo)?

Or do all the kits just relocate the MAF/IAT unit to post intercooler (down stream of intercooler)

Off the top of my head, FA20club moves the MAF to right before throttle, post turbo, post BOV and post IC. I would have liked that too on my kit.

Foobar 06-19-2013 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 1010600)
I tried doing a search but couldn't find an answer. Does anyone know which (if any) turbo/supercharger kits use a new air intake temperature sensor in order to read the air post turbo/supercharger instead of at the MAF (pre-turbo)?

Or do all the kits just relocate the MAF/IAT unit to post intercooler (down stream of intercooler)

The Vortech is post-charger.

OrbitalEllipses 06-19-2013 11:12 AM

Haven't seen any kits that include a NEW IAT. Having two is valuable information!

sw20kosh 06-19-2013 12:39 PM

Thanks for the replies. It is as I had expected. Kits either relocate the whole MAF or they just leave it pre-turbo.

The reason my application needs a new standalone IAT is because I want to set up a 2nd failsafe for my water/meth injection. It would be a failsafe incorporated in the tune. To do this I would need the IAT in the area post twinscrew blower. When that IAT sees cool temps it means the meth is injecting. If it sees 200 C temps then the meth is not inj properly. In the later case timing would be pulled and fuel added.

Just need to find an IAT that can work with the stock wiring(splicing in) and ecu. Please let me know if you come across anything or have any ideas.

Thanks.

King Tut 06-19-2013 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83 (Post 1010897)
Off the top of my head, FA20club moves the MAF to right before throttle, post turbo, post BOV and post IC. I would have liked that too on my kit.

So does the Full Blown kit. You get pre throttle body IAT that way.

King Tut 06-19-2013 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 1011237)
Thanks for the replies. It is as I had expected. Kits either relocate the whole MAF or they just leave it pre-turbo.

The reason my application needs a new standalone IAT is because I want to set up a 2nd failsafe for my water/meth injection. It would be a failsafe incorporated in the tune. To do this I would need the IAT in the area post twinscrew blower. When that IAT sees cool temps it means the meth is injecting. If it sees 200 C temps then the meth is not inj properly. In the later case timing would be pulled and fuel added.

Just need to find an IAT that can work with the stock wiring(splicing in) and ecu. Please let me know if you come across anything or have any ideas.

Thanks.

So you are looking to drill and tap one of the intake manifold runners to mount this temp sensor? The GM IAT sensor shoukd work for that and is popular in standalone ecu uses. As to wiring it into the OEM ECU good luck.

mad_sb 06-19-2013 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 1011237)
Thanks for the replies. It is as I had expected. Kits either relocate the whole MAF or they just leave it pre-turbo.

The reason my application needs a new standalone IAT is because I want to set up a 2nd failsafe for my water/meth injection. It would be a failsafe incorporated in the tune. To do this I would need the IAT in the area post twinscrew blower. When that IAT sees cool temps it means the meth is injecting. If it sees 200 C temps then the meth is not inj properly. In the later case timing would be pulled and fuel added.

Just need to find an IAT that can work with the stock wiring(splicing in) and ecu. Please let me know if you come across anything or have any ideas.

Thanks.


Have you looked at the aquamist products? they have flow based failsafe that will do the same thing.. I think a few other companies also use a flow based failsafe (triggers on both low and high flow with adjustable window)...

OrbitalEllipses 06-19-2013 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1011296)
So you are looking to drill and tap one of the intake manifold runners to mount this temp sensor? The GM IAT sensor shoukd work for that and is popular in standalone ecu uses. As to wiring it into the OEM ECU good luck.

I was going to suggest a GM IAT, but I had only seen it used with Hydra, AEM, etc. so I just didn't say anything. It's POSSIBLE that with Ecutek you could cannibalize some function that you don't need, similar to how Ecutek uses the EVAP charcoal solenoid for boost.

No Limit Motorsport 06-19-2013 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 1011237)
Thanks for the replies. It is as I had expected. Kits either relocate the whole MAF or they just leave it pre-turbo.

The reason my application needs a new standalone IAT is because I want to set up a 2nd failsafe for my water/meth injection. It would be a failsafe incorporated in the tune. To do this I would need the IAT in the area post twinscrew blower. When that IAT sees cool temps it means the meth is injecting. If it sees 200 C temps then the meth is not inj properly. In the later case timing would be pulled and fuel added.

Just need to find an IAT that can work with the stock wiring(splicing in) and ecu. Please let me know if you come across anything or have any ideas.

Thanks.

The GM IAT sensor works good with the stock ECU 02-13 WRX/STI with Cobb or Open Source speed density software. I wouldn't be surprised if it works with our cars as well.

sw20kosh 06-19-2013 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mad_sb (Post 1011363)
Have you looked at the aquamist products? they have flow based failsafe that will do the same thing.. I think a few other companies also use a flow based failsafe (triggers on both low and high flow with adjustable window)...

Already installed and working great! That is why I said "a 2nd failsafe". ;) I'd like to have a back up in case something goes wrong with that one.

A failsafe for a failsafe. Never can be too careful when it comes to blowing an engine...

OrbitalEllipses 06-19-2013 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 1011514)
Never can be too careful when it comes to blowing an engine...

Use protection... ;)


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