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N_I_N 06-14-2013 08:29 PM

Anybody used the APR kit out there?

Touge Factory 06-14-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by post_break (Post 1002353)
I was a little rough with the "the kit is crap" part. It's not crap, it just needs polish I guess.

The experience this user had didn't seem to be the as high of quality I expected. I pieced together a similar kit for myself a while ago since I'm cheap and would rather DIY.

2" High temp hose 12 feet $53

http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/p..._Temp_Ducting2

Inlet, $24 a piece $48

https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pr...p?Product=3624

Backing Plate $25 per side $50

http://pitstopusa.com/i-5066463-alls...ghtweight.html

http://pitstopusa.com/i-5066464-alls...ghtweight.html

Total $151 plus various items such as clamps and zip ties. I don't know what size hose the TF kit uses so I just took a guess, I know the area is tight. You can bump up to 3" hose for about $25 more. The backing plate will need working over to make it fit flush but again, I like DIY.

So you figure $200ish plus a 100% markup and that's on par with most aftermarket parts. It's not crazy expensive at all. It just needs some more polish, which is my only opinion.

The universal backing brake cooling plates will not be as effective of a sealed rotor forcing majority of the cool air through the veins, however for the price of the components you could go this route if you have limited funds, and have some time.
3" hose will not fit unless you route the hose under the car.
I have nothing against DIY. It's always interesting to see what others come up with.
We just made a functional kit that you can install in your garage with standard tools.

Just as a reference we made this kit based off of our Time Attack car, which we played with different brake cooling methods. In our Time Attack Evo, we used a modified NASCAR carbon fiber backing plate (Covered half of the rotor - we had to cut to make fit) for our Brembo GTR Big Brake kit, which did ok on the Autobahn South course 2.0mile during our 30min test session. We did not experience any brake fade, however pad wear was not where we wanted it to be, since you have to purchase 8 pads for the front calipers alone.
Once we made a backing plate that sealed off the rotor, the temperature brake temps were reduced and best of all pad and rotor wear was noticeably better.
http://www.tougefactory.com/shop/wp-...03/MG_9879.jpg

smbstyle 06-14-2013 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N_I_N (Post 1003139)
Anybody used the APR kit out there?

From what I have seen, the APR kit is ONLY the ducts for the fog lights and the tubing, not the backing plate for the hub.

smbstyle 06-14-2013 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Touge Factory (Post 1003163)
The universal backing brake cooling plates will not be as effective of a sealed rotor forcing majority of the cool air through the veins

THIS. The sealed backing plates makes all the difference.

RehabJeff86 06-15-2013 01:38 PM

Great functional product just need to make it look prettier imho

Will this fit on AP sprint bbk?

N_I_N 06-15-2013 01:53 PM

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I'm pretty sure in this photo it shows a part that attaches to the brake side.

Photo is from FT-86 Speed Factory's site.

smbstyle 06-15-2013 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N_I_N (Post 1004078)
I'm pretty sure in this photo it shows a part that attaches to the brake side.

Photo is from FT-86 Speed Factory's site.

Yep, you're right. Even though that doesn't give full coverage to the rotor, I just didn't know APR has a full kit. From what I read I thought it was only just the front ducts where the foglights are, including other vendors that list the kit as only the front bumper ducts. $300 something seems very cheap for a full Carbon Fiber kit from APR including the front inlet ducts and spindle ducts...

N_I_N 06-15-2013 03:26 PM

Quote from their site:

"This unit will bolt-on to the back side of the brake rotor, a high temp hose is connected from this unit to the front bumper brake duct inlet."

http://ft86speedfactory.com/apr-carb...s-frs-637.html

smbstyle 06-15-2013 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N_I_N (Post 1004188)
Quote from their site:

"This unit will bolt-on to the back side of the brake rotor, a high temp hose is connected from this unit to the front bumper brake duct inlet."

http://ft86speedfactory.com/apr-carb...s-frs-637.html

Hm, interesting. I know other vendors and APR themselves list just the ONLY front ducts in the front bumper for that same price, maybe @FT-86 SpeedFactory can verify that they are selling the entire APR kit including hoses and the backing plates for the rotor for $300 something?

Also, based on the pics from APRs facebook page of the kit, the backing plates for the brake rotor just blow air on the back face of the rotor itself, and not to the center of the rotor to push through the veins in the rotor, like the Touge Factory kit does.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...98132086_n.jpg

Doborder 06-15-2013 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smbstyle (Post 1004353)
Hm, interesting. I know other vendors and APR themselves list just the ONLY front ducts in the front bumper for that same price, maybe @FT-86 SpeedFactory can verify that they are selling the entire APR kit including hoses and the backing plates for the rotor for $300 something?

Also, based on the pics from APRs facebook page of the kit, the backing plates for the brake rotor just blow air on the back face of the rotor itself, and not to the center of the rotor to push through the veins in the rotor, like the Touge Factory kit does.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...98132086_n.jpg

This kit is just for the ducts alone
No piping pt backing plate
http://aprperformance.com/index.php?...=330&Itemid=44

RehabJeff86 06-16-2013 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doborder (Post 1004659)
This kit is just for the ducts alone
No piping pt backing plate
http://aprperformance.com/index.php?...=330&Itemid=44

R u getting a set?

Doborder 06-16-2013 02:09 AM

Not unless my brake start fading

CSG Mike 06-16-2013 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Doborder (Post 1004852)
Not unless my brake start fading

Keeping your pads cooler will extend their life. The duct's sole purpose is not to just prevent fade. Alternatively, if you need a lower MOT pad, you can run a less expensive, less aggressive pad just as effectively, lowering your long term operating cost.

RehabJeff86 06-16-2013 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doborder (Post 1004852)
Not unless my brake start fading

PMu was great at MRLS w/o fading but like CSG Mike said, it makes brake pads more effective and lowering overall cost....im seriously considering this kit


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