for grip racing not much can beat a paddle shift auto/dual clutch system

for fun you buy a MT

for ultra fun, a straight cut sequential manual

Guys... don't worry they still have Horses, I'm sure they'll still have manual cars.

EXACTLY. I got to drive an is250 for a bit and it would always fcuking shift up mid corner :mad0260:

^lol what i was thinking

Most only "need" an automatic so they can chat on the phone their whole way home from wherever :paddle:

HOLY SH!T sequentials are the best

My r6 was the first sequential shift vehicle I'd ever owned and that thing TORE through the gears like no other, you really don't even need to use the clutch, just lightly blip OFF the throttle for 1/10 a second and it slips right up.

it was like 1st gear: 0-75mph BAM 2nd gear BAM, so on up to 167 lol :burnrubber:

nothing more intense than doing that in a full tuck and seeing the shift light going crazy 2 inches from your face as your front end begs to come up

I digress..

Manual cars are like pump-action shotguns. Yeah, a Browning A5 is going to do it faster, but not everyone wants an autoloader. Pump guns are reliable and easy to maintain.

IS250? you base your opinion on that crappy AT programming? do yourself a favor and drive an IS-F before you come to a conclusion that AT cant be done well...

That's a $60k car though.

Maybe try the Miata or RX-8 with 6spd auto. Those are supposed to be good. :iono:

yes, but the difference isnt made in the transmission. the only meaningful hardware upgrade in the IS-F seems to be newly developed solenoids. and i remember reading somewhere that the FR-S will use a cheaper version of those solenoids.

the miata and rx-8 AT dont have anything special about it besides being a solid 6 speed with paddle shifters. for a lower cost taste of a well done AT, look at the nissan/infiniti 7 speed in the 370Z/G37. when the FR-S/BRZ comes out, it will have one of the best AT's at perhaps the lowest price point in the market today...

THat would be an interesting new transmission. A 6-speed manual without a clutch and its not automatic. I would like that too. But I actually think the clutch is part of the fun

Yes.

People need more engagement with their cars so they have something to focus on. Distracted driving causes accidents.

However, we also need to train and test people more (in the US). When I got my license renewed, an elderly gentleman was ASSISTED into the building, and then PROMPTED though the eye test to get his license. He probably had no idea where we was. But he's licensed to drive a 2 ton vehicle at lethal speeds. Utter BS. As was mentioned before, I would GLADLY pay a lot more to renew my license if they would actually test people on their ability to drive.

I hope MT doesn't go away. Though I'd rather a paddle-shift for track driving, a MT is much more fun day-to-day.

I don't think the MT is going to die out. Performance cars are built for performance enthusiasts. And most performance enthusiasts prefer stick shift. Besides, when manufacturers started pricing the AT and MT transmissions the same it should have knelled the death of the MT, but it didn't.

^^^ You guys are living in a self-indulgent fantasy. No F1 cars and hardly any supercars have old school three pedal + clutch trannys any more. Other proper racing cars usually have a trans that is nothing like a regular MT.

Super cars follow the lead of F1 and sports cars follow the lead of super cars.

Get over it.

People chat on the phone, text while driving, etc. because the culture has gotten more and more dependent on constant streams of (trivial) communication. The presence of AT's has little to do with it.

You guys sound like cranks.

Okay, but do you prefer single action or double action revolvers?

Or, how about a machine gun?

Modern sporting AT's are faster and have equivalent drive train losses. Once you factor out arguments based on mechanical limitations with hard data, you are left with an argument based solely on qualia.

Some people prefer amps that utilize vacuum tubes too. That's fine, but no need to shit on my preference for newer tech.

You must've missed the point where I said:

And when I said:
Also, I don't think anyone has said that Autos are the sole reason for distracted driving.

Still trying to figure out how you think my post was self-indulgent fantasy.

That wasn't directed squarely at you, per se -- more towards the disparaging attitude that a number of car guys have about AT's and the general disdain for anyone who dares imagine a sports car as actually being a proper sports car with fewer than three pedals to operate.

The self-indulgent fantasy was regarding the future survival of MT's. They will gradually vanish, as with all other old tech. If better AT tech doesn't kill it, then electric cars, which will require 1 or 2 speeds at most, will.

i dont see why its all about speed. I like driving manuals just because its fun to be engaging the whole body and not just sitting still moving the fight foot