What do you foresee for future FR-S models?
 

2014 2015?

As far as options.

For stock, I hope it stays the same with the exception of fixing the little bugs (crickets, water, CEL, etc.). No need to add more weight to the base car.

I would like to see more options available ie fog lights, HIDs, leather, etc.

IMO no need for more power with the exception of making it an option (To keep the price point). The car is (arguably) fast enough as it is. Those serious enough will be doing their own upgrades anyways.

And anyways, I already got one. Whatever Toyota decides will just make me more jealous :lol:

I don't know why people always say this. It's as if they think voiding a factory warranty is no big deal. People that want more power might always still want that factory warranty.:sigh:

The issue is that Toyota must balance longevity and power. Can they release the car with more power? Of course. But doing so can decrease the engine life and in turn also increase more potential under-warranty repairs. It is a risk analysis and only Toyota knows all that data. Keeping the price down and the horsepower numbers conservative is a happy balance for everyone.

Note that I am fine with it as an option, just not standard.

foglights for sure. Probably will have brake packages and exhaust packages availible like most of the scion line up. maybe a few years down the road HID will be a dealer option too because of their growing popularity

How about a stock turbo?? HId lights fog lights better speakers and headunit. More storage space. Just a few of the top of my head

That's a wish list, not what any1 really expects besides head unit lol.
Although we all wish toyota would do FI!

It does kinda sound like a wish list but turbos are not that much of a big deal these days. It can happen just not sure when.. as for the headunit they have to do something when I bought my new frs the sound was horrible and speakers are OK.. I upgraded headunit and it sounds much better with the stock amp and door speakers off

fr-s? Not much. it's still a scion, so 1 trim 4 life. Ditch the stand audio box for something better (which they are doing this year). Replace speedo with some other gauges of more use.

A sun roof? Idk... Maybe redesign the backseats in someway to make them more usable without affecting anything else?

How about a Flex Fuel E85 Ethanol option?

Do you think they can squeeze anymore HP out of this engine?

My lease is up May 2015. I was hoping to get another FR-S.......one that had

1) Leather seats.
2) A body Kit
3) 235 HP?

I might buy my next one. The reason I leased was I was expecting the year 3 or 4 car to be kind of different than year one.

Wish list:
1. Mr. Fusion
2. hover conversion
3. fog lights (safety feature)
4. E85 flex fuel (power)
5. supercharger (power)
6. Electrochromic tint (cool/cool)
7. Side markers to blink with headlights, just like JDM (safety feature)

Creating an FI version is an expensive endeavor, maybe some industry insiders can give some hard numbers but I'd venture to say the r&d/regulation/separate testing of the kit may not provide a significant enough return of investment for a what may be a relatively small pool of buyers. You're already pandering to small audience with a $25k driver focused eco car; making it $30k with a turbo is an even smaller demographic. Plus Subaru runs the problem of cannibalizing sales due to the new WRX which would cost less and offer AWD. It isn't like an aftermarket kit to just bolt on the turbo with a tune and go; crash safety standards need to be met, *engine longevity, hot/cold temperatures, abuse, supplier contracts, etc. Not to mention the allure of the green culture; KERS style super capacitors helping meet better CAFE standards et al.

Do I want them to offer FI? Sure! But I want them even more to focus on creating the best Toyobaru as simply as possible and get the most out of their investment into it. After they've done that, they should go nuts! :happy0180:

Piggybacking off my point above - I do believe Toyota can turn out a 230 hp version of this engine without seeing drastic decrease in longevity. There are folks here that have cracked the 200whp (~240 crank hp) mark with breathing mods and a tune alone. And to no offense to any of the fantastic tuners; Toyota has WAAAAAAAAAAY more resources at their disposal to create a bulletproof package*. I won't bring up hp/liter argument because I acknowledge it's case by case but without a doubt the current 200 hp is a rightfully conservative mark. Now, offering two output versions is rare (although VW is doing with the GTI in Europe but doesn't look that'll be the case here in the States) because of some points mentioned above. It doesn't make sense to go through all the testing twice. With that said, extra power doesn't hurt - I could see incremental (10hp) bumps every 2 years.

And this is what I really like and hope takes off more [springs, struts, brakes, bars, etc.]. I don't mind paying more of the cost to get the car Toyota can build. Should they offer this from the get-go? Yeah, probably. But it's a business to make a profit and I get that. I'm strangely attracted to the idea of building up an all TRD'd out FR-S!

I can't help but wonder if the Toyobaru will suffer the same fate as the Mazdaspeed Miata. Folks will clamor for a factory FI version for years, Toyota will go against their judgement & cave in and build it, and then it's met with ho-hum results only to be axed 2 years later. I doubt this will be the case but who knows.

I see Scion folding back into Toyota, making the FR-S become the Toyota GT-86 and the introduction of the trim levels and options for future models.

Well, in my dreams anyway. Toyota would probably axe the car altogether when Scion folds, with our luck.

How about a hatchback option that stays within the stock bodylines.

The fifth generation AE86 could be purchased as a hatchback or coupe. I had a 1985 Corolla GTS hatchback and would trade mine in if there was a hatchback offered for sale.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooo:paddle:

-New head unit
-Better headlights (JDM please?)
-Different wheel design possibly, but not a huge deal
-Possibly activating the bumper light like the GT86?
-Armrest
-Like a 5hp bump via "redesigned intake/exhaust" like the GT-R got from year to year
-Retuned suspension

That's all I realistically see. I think the interior materials could use some improving as far as scuffing goes. The speaker system needs an upgrade.

Moon Roof Please!

Big demand for Frs-brz to go forced induction. If they are not doing it, they will loose it. I am seeing many wanting to dip in the Light weight affordable fun machine, which is inspired by FRS.

Nissan Sylvia may come back
GMC got dodge Dart, it sucks, but they may release whole new model
Ford Fiesta turbo
Hyundai Veloster Turbo
Audi TT

Etc....even though they are not exactly Cheap+reliable just yet vs FRS with good looking, and reliability. There is no guarantee of them not doing so to take the pie.

The way i see it, Toyota and Subaru contracted until 2015 for no Forced Induction, but they may void that and add in the FI

Brz already made a turboed BRZ concept for racing at 450hp. I see no reason why they can not make it street legal 300 hp.

You can argue the Brz may canibalize their Imprezza STI, but they will not. Both are too different.

BRZ = light weight, and balance, RWD (good in summer, not snow, good for easy drifting)

STI = heavier, bulkier, powerful, sedan 4 doors, AWD (good in all weather, not for drifting, family oriented Dad and spirited mom)

The majority will not put kid in the FRS.

Before you know it, there will even be someone who buy STI for family needs, then FRS turbo for fun weekends.

In the end, if there is demand, there will be supply. I am sure it wont come out for another 2 years, so enjoy your NA for now, then trade in later

If they bring out a turbo version it will almost certainly be a smaller capacity, as is the trend. Maybe a 1.6L
I would prefer they stick with this engine and simply upgrade the exhaust as Nameless etc have, plus tweak the ECU. That will cure the torque dip and add to the top end rush.

A targa top would be a great option and let's have 245/40-17 as stock so it looks the part from the showroom.

As people have mentioned before, the numbers may not be there for a turbo version. If it's an option, you're looking at a very small number of cars that would need to cover the development and EPA certification costs for the engine. I also don't think they can piggyback the EPA testing with the turbo version from another Subaru since the emissions equipment in the exhausts will need to be different on the BRZ/FR-S.

I also don't think they can do a sunroof / moon roof / targa without adding the reinforcements (and weight) that would go with making a convertible version. If I remember right, they kind of pressed the limits to get the weight down on this car, and that roof is important to the structural rigidity. If you add any flex to it without reinforcing other areas (door sills, a-pillar), you will notice the difference. When the xB first came out there was a dealer-installed option for a webasto sliding ragtop. They had to recall all the xB's with that installed and replace them because cutting the roof made the cars dangerous. Adding the required bracing to this car, I assume, would end up with a very expensive sunroof or targa option.

The #1 thing I would like to see is the correction of the torque dip.

-Justin

Everyone asking for a targa top, hatchback, moonroof, larger tires, etc is making my head spin. Engineers struggled to design a lightweight chassis that handles well. And you want them to undo it for some luxury features?

245 section width tires? What in the world does a 200 hp 2700 lb car need tires that large far? The car won't handle any better I can tell you that. It'll have more unsprung weight and the wider tires will hurt aerodynamics. All that for the sake of a "cooler" look. No thanks.

People talking about the cost/benefit not being there for a turbo model are being unreasonable I think. You're acting like it's the automotive equivalent of climbing Mt. Everest here. Subaru already makes 2-3 turbo engines of similar design and displacement. Popping one under the hood would not be that difficult. And sales would be fine. Do you realize how few Nissan 370Zs are sold per year? Even if the Turbo BRZ sales weren't high they should still outsell that car. The demand (and aftermarket actions) are too great to be ignored.

A turbo would raise the price high enough that a 135, 370z and a few other cars become relevant competitors. And when you compare the equipment lists the twins are going to come up short. I think it's more important for them to stay closer to the present price point.

I also don't know what their deal with Toyota is. I'm assuming the subaru turbo versions of this motor will not use Toyota's injection system. If the agreement is that all the BRZ / FR-S's will use the Toyota injection then that's either a deal-breaker or could be a decent additional hassle to make (and epa-certify) a turbo motor for the one model.

The EPA process is reportedly a major pain in the ass. It's one of the main reasons we don't see many motor options here in the states compared to places like Europe.

-Justin

I completly agree with u but if they do decide to put a turbo the tires would need to be a little bigger.. I think 245 tires would suit the car better and more tire means more grip... I think first thing is turbo since everyone who buys this car thinks about turbo. It will help toyota subaru, instead of buying aftermarket u buy the tuned version stock - toyota makez more money we have more power everyones happy

If HIDs were available as an option I would have ordered my car that way, other than that I am cool with what my car has, including sans fog lights.

Or they could just market it at a lower price point and pass on all the BS interior options/gizmos that enthusiasts don't give a rat's ass about:D There's no unwritten rule that says if you increase horsepower you have to add luxury features. F that.

They need to go the "Evo RS" direction if you ask me. I have the Limited (b/c that's what was available at the time) but I would trade:

-leather/alcantara seats
-Navigation/touch screen audio
-keyless entry
-LED DRLs
-headed seats
-dual automatic climate control (which I barely use)

all in a heart beat for 50 more horsepower.

I am sure the Turbo version will be considerably 5-10k more with options an all. But again, you can not really compare it to a 370z at all.

370z look different
weighted different
different torque curve vs HP
2 seaters vs 4 seaters
Toyota quality vs Nissan

And whatever else there may be

If there was a turbo version, I would be very happy to jump into it.

Of course you can compare it - and shoppers WILL compare it. If you're planning on more HP to sell the turbo FR-S, why wouldn't it make more sense that the shopper looking for more HP would pass on the ~250hp FR-S for a 330hp 370z that may even cost less?

Are they supposed to somehow find buyers who are interested only in cars having more than 220hp but less than 300?

-Justin

Let me get this right.

FRS/BRZ influence = light weight, reliable, cheap, cheap maintenance, good looking, easily drifted if needed be. This is the Recipe for

Affordable college, or high school grads, who have just started their life to dip into a good sport looking car, and still having fun while at it.

A more spirited Youth will even take this car to the track to drift, to have fun. The car totally serves this purpose.

But lets face the reality, the only fun thing on the street = Super Fast Ramping into the Highway, or Light to Light Drag. Has the FRS been able to do so ? Not so much.

You can Drift it in a track course, but how many of the owners will do so ? 5% ? How many of the owner will do Light to Light and Ramping to the High Way ? I can say more than 65%. These Majority are where the FRS needs to hit.

FRS needs to also target the people who want Affordable, Quick, Agile, Fun, Reliable driving on the street. That is where BRZ and FRS turbo need to step in.

Quick on the High Way Ramp. Quick on taking over lane, passing power. Quick from Light to Light. Super Agile in Drifting in a Track course, and can still be Cheap to Maintain.

Can you ask for more than FRS/BRZ 300HP 285 Torque at 3000 RPM ? Nah...because it serves it purpose much more than a C7 Vettee

To get current owners to part with their version and buy the latest version it will take more than simple accessories (think anniversary edition). The marketing model for most vehicles depends on a used market to support people who can't get loans and to continue to spread the brand reach of the vehicle. If we figure 30% of owners are already keeping the car as seasonal and it's not a supercar that cost enough to support the brand entirely on new sales, if they don't get us to part with our cars it'll quickly become the RX8 or S2000 and go extinct. Some may argue that the way the twins are stacked against each other (with the Subbie having some of the "upgraded options") that the Subbie is already the vehicle that will make you part with your FRS, but then what about the BRZ owners? I wouldn't be surprised to see an STi BRZ but no new FRS model.

All that said, I think it points to us seeing a turbo variation along with a new tire and wheel package. Any accessories like fog lights will still be accessories so that the base price stays low. Many owners have already done tire & wheels and intakes or exhaust so if the car came with that and cost a few dollars more, many would have still willingly paid it for more power. *2 cents*

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an7LP4GjWhg"]FRS and BRZ 0-60 MPH real life test review[/ame]

Look at this. 2 persons in a car supposedly Sport car.

Sport = Small, low, un-practical for having kids, hauling grocery, camping goods, whatever.....and running 10 seconds to 60MPH ?

This is reality, not the Hype. Anything sport run 0-60 MPH under 6 seconds = true sport

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxWWW3HB1kE"]RX350 Soccer Mom SUV[/ame]

This Soccer mom car is even better from 3 minute mark

2015 model = +5 hp and torque dip elimination with some slight change in design for the front bumper and taillights

If a sports car needs to be fast 0-60 to remain relevent and successful, explain the Miata.

In production for over 20 years and Mazda has sold over a million of them.

Slow as hell in a stoplight race.

-Justin

Fix the current electrical and mechanical problems.

Did you really just pick a review of the car running at mile high altitude with two fat guys in it, just to show that it runs 10 seconds to 60 mph?

:slap:

There are plenty of reviews of the car hitting low-mid 6's to 60.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPoZ1SC8uwk"]2013 Scion FR-S: A New Hope? - Ignition Episode 14 - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vujkms9ygzI"]Scion FR-S Video Review -- Edmunds.com - YouTube[/ame]

Hey, I compared on an equal term of 2 fat guys, same altitude between FRS vs RX350.

Same condition, and the winner is RX350. The fact, proved, tested, Non-Hyped up

The cake is a lie. They already ate it.

Not debating the "winner", but the test is pointless IMO. I'll agree with you here though: if you're looking to race stoplight to stoplight at high altitude with no launch and with a bunch of fat people stuffed in your car, you could not come up with a worse car than the FR-S.

How many fat people are in a bunch?

-Justin

So? Just face it, the car is what it is, the only point you are proving is how annoying you can be.

It isn't for everyone, only a fool would argue that it's the perfect sports car, it's just a really good one :thumbsup: