Estimated Price..
 

everyone says its ~20k, but i saw 28k in super street. wut tha fuhk. i'm assuming its wrong, any input?

depends on options, i'm sure. i'm gonna guess $23K or so for the base model, maybe $22K for the "track" model, and the $28K is for a fully loaded version. when i purchased my tacoma, depending on options, they ranged from $16K (regular cab 4x4 4cyl) to $30K (double cab TRD with all options).

-Mike

Those numbers closely match the December info from EVO magazine... I haven't seen any other credible source quote anything differently to this point...

IF they make a Subie version... who knows how that would be equipped or priced.

(I just hope the lowest cost yota version will be above the so-called "under $20K" threshold for Scions! I don't want this branded as a Scion here!!!!)

No indication either what the JDM G Sport version will cost them...

I'm betting $23k base price on the the entry level version, $28k base price for the performance version with the turbo(or rumored 2.5 N/A), and $22k base price for the racing spec version stripped of all amenities.


If this pans out, I'm looking to get the $28k version. Then again, if toyota doesnt offer a turbo, I've never purchased a subaru, but I may look in that direction before I make my purchase. All in all I'd rather have a N/A 2.5 to avoid the turbo reliability issues(one rumor has the 2.5 at around 240hp). I've had 2 turbo performance vehicles and don't like how finicky they can be some times in comparison.

240hp in NA 2.5L? You know how much ridiculous amount of performance parts to make it that much hp? I have read one 2.5L H4 engine made that much power... well technically 300hp.
Zzyzx Motorsports 2.5 RS break 300 NA HP
other than that, I think H6 engine w 250~280hp is more believable.

Sounds about right.


p.s. Isn't there a thread about this already?

Yes but you know there's going to be many many more reposts as the days go by. :sigh:

Very interesting...flat torque curve on a NA motor.

If the 2.0 carries the same characteristics as the 2.5 I am sold.

But as I have heard the 2.0 lacks the low end of the 2.5 by a considerable amount...hmm

sooo, exactly what i said up there^^^ :)

i hope you guys realize that the flat 4 in the FT86 will *likely* be quite different than the flat 4s in current subarus. i'd be extremely surprised if toyota didn't put better heads on, at the very least. and probably run a little higher compression.

-Mike

You know, I can't say for sure. I have only read 2L Turbo lack tq and haven't heard much on 2L NA H4, so I have no clue. My friend's 2.2L H4 (NA) & just regular canyon run, he can keep up with me without problem... but of course he has done bit more tuning in the engine & suspension than mine, but still I think, my friend's 2.2L lack low end for sure... or maybe just gear ratio is different? IDK & my other friend that has 2.5i (170hp/170tq) feel a lot like 2.2L engine. felt like it mellow down a bit in lower end.

HP and tq aren't my major concerns over the engine.


Its about how it feels, how freely it revs, and how it sounds on the high-end. How it reacts to throttle input, I could go on and on...

The engine has HUGE shoes to fill when it comes to being a "spiritual" 86 successor, which by association, a 4A successor.

Frankly, I have plenty of fun in my stock 4A, which can't (Rather couldn't before its current issue popped up) be pushing more than ~80whp.

I already know that being almost .5 litres larger than a 4A, and the fact it won't be TOO much heavier than the AE86, thats its power/weight ratio will be much better than the AE86 and as such, I'll get the feeling of driving a car with more umph behind it. So thats covered, at least for me.

It all comes down to this simple fact: If Toyota wants to continue doning this car as being a 'spiritual' successor to the AE86 than the BIGGEST issue concerning its powerplant, is how it feels. Because quite frankly, a 4A-GE is just fucking fun as all hell to drive. That is a huge part of the AE86's success (and why its still a popular car to this day) and if they drop the ball on that fact, then they've completely failed trying to do a spiritual revival.

I italized / bolded that one part for everyone wanting this car to last a long time and sell well and become a hit. If you're looking at it from the simplest point, two factors made the AE86 a cult classic: Light weight RWD platform / High free-revving, peppy, screaming 4A-GE. The two together created the classic.

Last point: 200hp is all I'll freekin' need to enjoy this car, given they don't fail on reviving the feel of the 4A.

Last last point: There's already a thread for pricing: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96

Last last last point: What NESW20 said a few posts up.

You mean people should use the search function? Nevar!!!

I agree with OldSchoolToys that probably 200hp might be all this car needs to have a whale of fun... I just wonder how much the Subie engine (even with the dual injection) will "rev freely"... and what the rpm limit will be... we shall see!

Meh, I have no problems with steering newcomers to older threads.